The Return of Formation Subs in Madden NFL 17

[Dang3rousPeach]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

The blog itself says you can put tackles at tight end, if that's what you are asking. The game will let you do that.

you are right... misread that from the blog... college degree not working out so hot apparently. -_-

[Mattanite]

Looks like they are using the standard depth chart restrictions as the same restrictions within formation subs. I appreciate the effort of getting this in a Day 1 patch and hopefully it is something that could be tuned through the year or expanded formation subs in M18.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigd51

And just because you have the right to complain, it doesn't mean your complaint is always right. Realistically, it's the kind of restrictions that have to be put in the game until CPU's become sentient and do not have to abide by an indisputable "law" set forth by programmers. Realistically, it's the type of restriction that has to be there because it was (obviously) added very late in the development/production cycle, and they're trying to cut-back on as many exploits (that gamers would surely find) as possible. Which essentially makes this addition a beta run on a live platform that will give them loads of data and opinions to improve for '18 and beyond... meaning, you may not have to wait a full, first-world country year to get the perfect product you deserve. Better a year early than a yearly later... You treat it as a "must have now" type of implement, where as the others see it for what it is, and that's a better future for the game and it's direction, regardless of how well/not so well the game is at the current state. Whether it's complete or incomplete doesn't matter. The fact is, formation subs are back. Period. That's a huge win for a lot of NFL gamers in itself. Just be happy for once the team is finally hearing "us".

No it's not right that's true. Doesn't mean your satisfaction is right either.

You guys that are pumped have every right to be. Just like those of us that are disappointed have every right to be.

It's just a difference of opinion/viewpoint. We can leave it at that.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mauer4MVP

No it's not right that's true. Doesn't mean your satisfaction is right either. You guys that are pumped have every right to be. Just like those of us that are disappointed have every right to be. It's just a difference of opinion/viewpoint. We can leave it at that.

It's a vast difference of opinion and an incredible amount of pettiness.

[scottyp180]

For the complaints about position restrictions I wonder if it's something they can adjust in a patch. With enough people upset over the issue they might be able to figure out a work around.

But hell, at the end of the day, I'll take formation subs with restrictions over no formation subs at all. This is a step forward for a game that too often in the past would be content with standing in place (or even taking a step back at times).

[roadman]

I think the frustration lies in people who are here during the off-season (year round) and putting in time to make suggestions and make comments(you know who you are and it's appreciated) vs people that show up on a yearly basis when game info is marketed (ie EA Play) and comment about their frustrations and leave at or near the release date.

The onset of continuous development should have people excited and contributing exciting opinions(good or constructive, not stuff like finally, it's in) throughout the year.

[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

I think the frustration lies in people who are here during the off-season (year round) and putting in time to make suggestions and make comments(you know who you are and it's appreciated) vs people that show up on a yearly basis when game info is marketed (ie EA Play) and comment about their frustrations and leave at or near the release date. The onset of continuous development should have people excited and contributing exciting opinions(good or constructive, not stuff like finally, it's in) throughout the year.

I think the problem/fear people have is tied to the fact that there is a history of features being implemented without being fully fleshed out and then just left behind as if it was problem solved. I guess that what stops some from appreciating the extra effort to get it in M17 with a day one patch.

Continuous development is great, and we should all be appreciative of it and the fact that devs are listening; but the fact of the matter is nobody knows wether devs look at this as a feature under progress for M18 or a ticked checkbox moving forward.

In the end, it is a matter of faith and/or goodwill towards the development team.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by msdm27

I think the problem/fear people have is tied to the fact that there is a history of features being implemented without being fully fleshed out and then just left behind as if it was problem solved. I guess that what stops some from appreciating the extra effort to get it in M17 with a day one patch. Continuous development is great, and we should all be appreciative of it and the fact that devs are listening; but the fact of the matter is nobody knows wether devs look at this as a feature under progress for M18 or a ticked checkbox moving forward. In the end, it is a matter of faith and/or goodwill towards the development team.

This is a very good point and I think track record has a lot to do with it. Not just Madden the game but the entire company.

We all know the horror stories with previous EA titles (Madden, Mass Effect, Battlefront, etc.). I know it's completely different teams but still annoying when the same company keeps showing up on these games that have many issues/incomplete features.