Madden NFL 17 Team Ratings - NFC (Overall, Offense & Defense)

[TheShizNo1]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kwarren3

Lol... want to try to be a bigger douche bag and bash an entire fan base a little more? You must wake up every morning feeling fantastic as a person.

Quote: Originally Posted by J.Cole

LOL this guy is salty af then tries to ignore what he just said and is like. That is all. carry on. What a douche.

Let's knock off the name calling insults, please.

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[DirectFX]

Sick of Cowboys always being overrated in games like Madden and by the dumb talking heads on radio and tv.
All that hype has gotten them nothing since the late 90's not even a sniff of the Super a Bowl for how long now?
Every year Romo is the best qb this will be his year and every time he folds under pressure when a division/playoff spot is on the line at the end of the season.
Dez is supposed to grow up every year and be the next Moss or Rice but nope once season gets tough he goes back into crybaby mode .

The only strength they have is the OL so besides those positions there's no way they are the top team in the NFC East .
Witten is a year old and slower, no reliable WR or TE besides Dez to throw to when double Dez..
Their defenders is horrible and bunch players suspended on top of sucking.
RB is a rookie not proven anything yet but has already been injured in camp so gotta see his health.
Romo injured 2x more times and surgery again so he's more brittle .

Jerry Jones must be doing the Girls ratings as its ridiculous beyond Oline , Bryant and Romo are only decent players and Romo and Dez aren't even reliable to get through a season without being injured or choking in crunch time .

Stop drinking the Kool Aid they haven't been Americas teen for 20 years or so ..

[CT Pitbull]

so the bears are the WORST team ratings wise in the NFC huh. Come on man

[brza37]

Quote: Originally Posted by charter04

Based on what? Romo getting hurt? They didn't give up many sacks. Just because the QB gets hurt on one sack doesn't mean they don't block well. If you can offer some actual data I'm all ears. If it's just Eagle fan bias then I'm not sure it's a good point Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Actually they gave up 33 sacks which is just about middle of the pack. And when you look at sacks per pass then they're also middle of the pack at 17th with 5.87% sacked percentage according to Team Rankings:
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/qb-sacked-pct

And according to Football Outsiders they had an Adjusted Sack Rate (which takes holding and intentional grounding penalties into account) of 6.6% which was 19th in the league. And thats not far off from there highly-overrated 2014 mark of 16th in the league (6.1%) with healthy Romo, Dez and Demarco. 2014 was actually worse for the Cowboys in pure sacked % numbers as they were 21st in the league with 7.07% according to Team Rankings. So the excuse that they had injured players can't be used there. These stats are all available at football outsiders which is much more objective and well-respected around the league than PFF's grades, who many players and coaches have claimed are a joke since PFF doesn't know what the assignements are:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

Also the Cowboys have had the healthiest O-line in the league the past 2 years which really helps performance but I won't even take that into account as I'd like to stay as objective and quantifiable as possible.

Dallas has a very good run blocking line but not even close to dominant in pass blocking as the above stats show. Also, just for measurement they finished 6th in run blocking last year and 1st in 2014. They are good but not exactly the 99 across the board run blockers that is public perception.

Also, someone else pointed out that the Cowboys are actually a 12-4 team that wasn't healthy in 2015 so the 4-12 shouldn't count. But between 2011-2013 they finished 8-8 each year. So by that logic maybe they were always an 8-8 team that overperformed in 2014 and then came back down to earth combined with injuries in 2015? Again, thats hard to prove but I just needed to make a counter argument because people pointing to that one anomaly 12-4 season out of the last 6 seasons of at-best mediocrity is just too much for me to completely ignore.

[noplace]

Quote: Originally Posted by DirectFX

Sick of Cowboys always being overrated in games like Madden and by the dumb talking heads on radio and tv. All that hype has gotten them nothing since the late 90's not even a sniff of the Super a Bowl for how long now? Every year Romo is the best qb this will be his year and every time he folds under pressure when a division/playoff spot is on the line at the end of the season. Dez is supposed to grow up every year and be the next Moss or Rice but nope once season gets tough he goes back into crybaby mode . The only strength they have is the OL so besides those positions there's no way they are the top team in the NFC East . Witten is a year old and slower, no reliable WR or TE besides Dez to throw to when double Dez.. Their defenders is horrible and bunch players suspended on top of sucking. RB is a rookie not proven anything yet but has already been injured in camp so gotta see his health. Romo injured 2x more times and surgery again so he's more brittle . Jerry Jones must be doing the Girls ratings as its ridiculous beyond Oline , Bryant and Romo are only decent players and Romo and Dez aren't even reliable to get through a season without being injured or choking in crunch time . Stop drinking the Kool Aid they haven't been Americas teen for 20 years or so ..

Lol.. Only team in the league not held accoutable for bad play.. It has to be an excuse or reason why they don't win the superbowl every season because its definately isnt because they arent any good..

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by brza37

Actually they gave up 33 sacks which is just about middle of the pack.

Sacks aren't a good indicator of anything on their own.

Let's keep playing the numbers game - in 2015 the Cowboys' offensive line allowed the 5th-fewest QB hits in the league at 67 and simultaneously produced the 5th-best average yards per rushing play (4.8). No other team in the league posted that good of a combination, and only Carolina came close.

In 2014 when the Cowboys actually had a full compliment of weapons on offense, the Cowboys OL allowed the third-fewest QB hits in the league (53) and the third-best rushing yards per play (4.6). Again, very few teams come close to matching that; Baltimore was the closest that year.

But go ahead and keep painting this imaginary picture that the Cowboys offensive line isn't good. If that's the hill you want to die on, be my guest, because it's a very lonely hill. There are plenty of easier targets to criticize on the Cowboys' roster.

[brza37]

I did not and am not saying the Cowboys' line is not good. I am only saying that they are overrated, in particular the pass blocking. I posted above that they are a "very good run blocking line". I don't know how that translates to painting a picture that they aren't good.

Also, I only started with O-line because somebody asked for stats on that. I know there are other areas that would be much easier to pick on.

Back to stats. Total hits are a good stat but again the percentage of hits, or pressures, per dropback would be better as cumulative stats don't account for amount of snaps, passes etc. According to PFF, Romo was 21st in pressures per dropback, being under pressure on 35% of his dropbacks. Cassel was 12th with 32.74% and Weeden was somewhere between 23-37th out of 46 qualifying QBs.
That doesn't seem to be a dominant pass blocking performance like they are ranked. It seems to point to league average pass blockers. That is all I'm saying.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by brza37

I did not and am not saying the Cowboys' line is not good. I am only saying that they are overrated, in particular the pass blocking. I posted above that they are a "very good run blocking line". I don't know how that translates to painting a picture that they aren't good. Also, I only started with O-line because somebody asked for stats on that. I know there are other areas that would be much easier to pick on. Back to stats. Total hits are a good stat but again the percentage of hits, or pressures, per dropback would be better as cumulative stats don't account for amount of snaps, passes etc. According to PFF, Romo was 21st in pressures per dropback, being under pressure on 35% of his dropbacks. Cassel was 12th with 32.74% and Weeden was somewhere between 23-37th out of 46 qualifying QBs. That doesn't seem to be a dominant pass blocking performance like they are ranked. It seems to point to league average pass blockers. That is all I'm saying.

I'll grant you they are a better run blocking unit than pass blocking unit, sure. However, the moment you start citing PFF stats, I get to point out that PFF graded the Cowboys as the best run blocking and pass blocking offensive line in 2015.

And as I said at earlier in the thread, Madden relies on PFF heavily for ratings guidances nowadays, which explains the unit's high ratings in Madden (especially the three studs of Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick, and Zack Martin; which one of those guys are you going to argue is overrated, since all three of them have been named to NFL All-Pro teams each of the past two years?).