Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by msdm27

If by their standards, speed starts to decrease at around 27 then, well, these Madden devs certainly have a particular way to look at things But I think your guess might be right, it is either "game speed" or "speed regression", likely the latter. Hopefully they wil re-visit the way they handle speed soon because any decrease by 27 is weird imo

By some accounts, the end of an NFL player's peak range is about 28-29 for wide receivers


Any injuries (knee/back for Green), would contribute to any further decline, I would think. Again, I'm not involved in ratings and have no idea how they are handled, but this is my guess as to how this might work.

[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

By some accounts, the end of an NFL player's peak range is about 28-29 for wide receivers Any injuries (knee/back for Green), would contribute to any further decline, I would think. Again, I'm not involved in ratings and have no idea how they are handled, but this is my guess as to how this might work.

Do you have a link to the source of the graph? What exactly is involved in "aging"?

[Yazan Gable]

Quote: Originally Posted by msdm27

Sorry man, I see you always try to stick up for the game but... Come on! In ANY data driven enterprise, as Madden ratings claim to be, there is no "well, is just a one point difference"... That's an absurd statement and even Kane or other Madden dev would probably tell you that they are a bit less willy-nilly than that.

Think you confuse "standing up for the game" with being reasonable. They make head-scratching ratings decisions all the time (the numerous times I've looked at Philip Rivers being lower than Andy Dalton or Mariota and Bridgewater being lower than Stafford as examples) so a one point difference in speed between this guy and another guy is small compared to other issues. You can overreact about a singular point of speed that won't matter when they're outrunning corners whose speed is in the late 80s and you can also give AJ Green that +2 speed boost yourself. This is relatively nitpicking. Could also ask the guy on Twitter why he is slower than DeAndre Hopkins.

[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

Think you confuse "standing up for the game" with being reasonable. They make head-scratching ratings decisions all the time (the numerous times I've looked at Philip Rivers being lower than Andy Dalton or Mariota and Bridgewater being lower than Stafford as examples) so a one point difference in speed between this guy and another guy is small compared to other issues. You can overreact about a singular point of speed that won't matter when they're outrunning corners whose speed is in the late 80s and you can also give AJ Green that +2 speed boost yourself. This is relatively nitpicking. Could also ask the guy on Twitter why he is slower than DeAndre Hopkins.

Show me where is the overreacting, please.
This is the current issue on the forum with Madden, every time someone post a reasonable complaint or critique regarding something in the game, they are met with tangent arguments as to why the complaint doesn't matter (why does a 1 point different matter if they still run by <90 speed DB?, well then why have a 100 scale then if things are not going to be represented accurately); and after the you are met with the typical "that's nitpicking" line.

Please tell me where the threadshold is for rating inconsistency for one to be able to point it out without being nitpicky?

Bottom line, your statement that a one point ratings difference doesn't mean much is methodically wrong and goes against the logic of a 100 scale.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by msdm27

Random question: Why is Hopkins (4.57 40 time) faster than AJ Green (4.50) 40 time? I see this in others cases throughout the reveals but this one jumped to mind first.

40 time does not equate to maximum velocity over the course of the run.

There are three components to the 40 - the initial burst, the ability to maintain burst, and rate of deceleration. Many players in the league will start decelerating around 25-30 yards due to fatigue; they reach their maximum speed, hold for a bit, then slow down.

If you do some calculus using the three data points generated from players' timed combine runs - 10-yard split, 20-yard split, and 40 time - you can determine a player's maximum speed, acceleration (ability to reach top speed), and stamina (ability to maintain top speed / keep accelerating). I'll do the math for some of the guys in question here later this evening if you all are interested.

[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

40 time does not equate to maximum velocity over the course of the run. There are three components to the 40 - the initial burst, the ability to maintain burst, and rate of deceleration. Many players in the league will start decelerating around 25-30 yards due to fatigue; they reach their maximum speed, hold for a bit, then slow down. If you do some calculus using the three data points generated from players' timed combine runs - 10-yard split, 20-yard split, and 40 time - you can determine a player's maximum speed, acceleration (ability to reach top speed), and stamina (ability to maintain top speed / keep accelerating). I'll do the math for some of the guys in question here later this evening if you all are interested.

And do you know this calculation is how Madden calculates SPD?

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by msdm27

And do you know this calculation is how Madden calculates SPD?

If I were to guess - absolutely not. I don't know that for a fact, however.

It is close to, if not exactly, the process which was used by FBGratings to determine SPD and ACC, however.

[msdm27]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

If I were to guess - absolutely not. I don't know that for a fact, however. It is close to, if not exactly, the process which was used by FBGratings to determine SPD and ACC, however.

Thx for the input but as long as 40 time = SPD in Madden, then all that data is irrelevant to the discussion, unfortunately.