Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Quarterbacks

[Yazan Gable]

Quote: Originally Posted by Find_the_Door

Cams accuracy is simply way too high for a guy that finished with lower than 60% completion percentage. He's supposed to be the ultimate physical specimen but be an inconsistent passer. Hopefully consistency is a rating and that he's rated to play with inconsistency - then these ratings would be fine.

You do know that his scheme was not conducive to high completion percentages right? There's a difference between being in an offense that requires you to throw down field often (Panthers, Cardinals) and an offense where you're throwing screens and short passes and letting the receiver collect yards after the catch (Redskins, Patriots). It's a silly argument if you notice that their offenses are very different.

[charter04]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

You do know that his scheme was not conducive to high completion percentages right? There's a difference between being in an offense that requires you to throw down field often (Panthers, Cardinals) and an offense where you're throwing screens and short passes and letting the receiver collect yards after the catch (Redskins, Patriots). It's a silly argument if you notice that their offenses are very different.

You make a good point but, Carson Palmer threw for 63.7 in a vertical passing offense last year. So Cam still shouldn't even be as accurate as Palmer.

[Yazan Gable]

Quote: Originally Posted by charter04

You make a good point but, Carson Palmer threw for 63.7 in a vertical passing offense last year. So Cam still shouldn't even be as accurate as Palmer.

Except for the fact that one guy had 3 phenomenal receivers (John Brown/Malcolm Floyd/Larry Fitzgerald) and the other guy had Ted Ginn Jr., Jerricho Cotchery and Devin Funchess. At least he had Greg Olsen when he wasn't using the guy in 7-man protection because his offensive line was not good at pass blocking.

[87Birdman]

Not sure how I feel about Brady's deep accuracy. He isn't very accurate throwing down the field and a large majority of his passes are the shallow crossing routes with some seam routes by the te.

Every time I watch him he struggles with those throws outside the numbers and down the field.

I would be okay with 99 rating for his short because he lives off of those routes and he puts the ball where his receivers can make plays. I just feel his deep isn't that great as the rating is showing up compared to others.

On the overall it doesn't bother me that brady isn't as high as he is great at what is asked of him and that is running that offense and I don't think there is any other qb in the league that would run it as good as him.

Does he have stats that others have that he isn't good at? Yeah. Speed throw on run deep accuracy. But if we are able to set schemes that will readjust the overall correctly than I think it is fine.

You aren't going to be asking Tom Brady to run a wilson offense in Seattle just like you wouldn't have can running brady offense. So hopefully the rating based off scheme works so that the computer isn't cutting good players for players that don't fit their scheme.

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[Find_the_Door]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

You do know that his scheme was not conducive to high completion percentages right? There's a difference between being in an offense that requires you to throw down field often (Panthers, Cardinals) and an offense where you're throwing screens and short passes and letting the receiver collect yards after the catch (Redskins, Patriots). It's a silly argument if you notice that their offenses are very different.

They tailor the offense to his strengths. Not his weaknesses

[The JareBear]

Quote: Originally Posted by 87Birdman

Not sure how I feel about Brady's deep accuracy. He isn't very accurate throwing down the field and a large majority of his passes are the shallow crossing routes with some seam routes by the te. Every time I watch him he struggles with those throws outside the numbers and down the field. I would be okay with 99 rating for his short because he lives off of those routes and he puts the ball where his receivers can make plays. I just feel his deep isn't that great as the rating is showing up compared to others. On the overall it doesn't bother me that brady isn't as high as he is great at what is asked of him and that is running that offense and I don't think there is any other qb in the league that would run it as good as him. Does he have stats that others have that he isn't good at? Yeah. Speed throw on run deep accuracy. But if we are able to set schemes that will readjust the overall correctly than I think it is fine. You aren't going to be asking Tom Brady to run a wilson offense in Seattle just like you wouldn't have can running brady offense. So hopefully the rating based off scheme works so that the computer isn't cutting good players for players that don't fit their scheme. Sent from my SM-G900R4 using Tapatalk

Good post, good sir.

It does seem like Brady doesn't connect on his deep passes anywhere near as often as he used to. I don't watch him week in and week out tho, so I definitely am not an expert on his accuracy.

[Yazan Gable]

Quote: Originally Posted by Find_the_Door

They tailor the offense to his strengths. Not his weaknesses

That means nothing in this case. He was still in an offense that prioritized deep passing so that depressed completion percentage. He was throwing to mediocre wide receivers down field with pass blocking inadequate enough to require lots of 7-man protection which further brought down his completion percentage. Your response isn't a counterargument, it's just an attempt to point out that this is what Cam Newton is supposed to be good at and thus should have a higher completion percentage. It does not dispute the fact that a deep passing offense with questionable pass blocking and mediocre wide receivers is going to lead to low completion percentages.

[Find_the_Door]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

That means nothing in this case. He was still in an offense that prioritized deep passing so that depressed completion percentage. He was throwing to mediocre wide receivers down field with pass blocking inadequate enough to require lots of 7-man protection which further brought down his completion percentage. Your response isn't a counterargument, it's just an attempt to point out that this is what Cam Newton is supposed to be good at and thus should have a higher completion percentage. It does not dispute the fact that a deep passing offense with questionable pass blocking and mediocre wide receivers is going to lead to low completion percentages.

I don't disagree. I just find it funny that he's the one QB that they make an exception for in this regard. Let's analyze his offense since his completion percentage is so low. Wonder why others aren't afforded the same benefit of the doubt.