Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Wide Receivers

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by BreakingBad2013

Most of the league falls into bench player or worse. And an even higher number falls into not being able to make it in the NFL. There are 255 players drafted every season, plus the signings of undrafted FAs. Of those, how many are 2nd string or even 3rd string players? How many are out of the league in less than 4 years?

Right, but Madden doesn't include literally every player available to play football in a given season, so a lot of those "out of the league" guys are literally not in the game (out of the league).

The players drafted in later rounds in Madden and who would be UDFA-type players are in the 50s (below replacement level). The player pool that's important for the game's purposes are the replacement-level guys and up, as that's typically what the user has to interact with.

All it is is just a scale. If the players rated 50s now were rated 0s in a new scale, it's still the same thing. You'd just have a bunch of players bunched between 40 and 60 instead of 65-85.

[Yazan Gable]

Quote: Originally Posted by BreakingBad2013

Because it would be vs a fringe starter (41-50) who is good enough to win here and there. Just not consistently. The gaps are only large with how we've been thinking of madden over the years. Now if it were vs like a 22, then he'll get his butt kicked all day.

Yeah man, these totally arbitrary numbers you made up in terms of their performance really tell the truth. Never seen a 43 OVR right tackle but they'd definitely sometimes win against one of the best pass rushers in the NFL, but a 22? Dead.

[BreakingBad2013]

Quote: Originally Posted by mrprice33

Right, but Madden doesn't include literally every player available to play football in a given season, so a lot of those "out of the league" guys are literally not in the game (out of the league). The players drafted in later rounds in Madden and who would be UDFA-type players are in the 50s (below replacement level). The player pool that's important for the game's purposes are the replacement-level guys and up, as that's typically what the user has to interact with.

Understandable, but stretching out ratings would change the entire makeup of the game. Maybe it's just me. But I have seen 60s and 70s become bonafied starters, and if they were 20s and 30s I feel the FEEL of how bad they are would actually show up. There's no much difference in madden between Brady, Mat Ryan, Derrick Carr, and Sam Bradford. Elite don't feel elite, and bonafied bums can do too much. It's a video game I get it, but I think stretching ratings allows you to put players in more realistic categories and less elite players would make the game better

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

Just like in Madden's draft, most of them. Also, trying to give ratings to players based on career performance is silly since Madden ratings exist to give an idea of a player's performance in that season, not across their career.

Right, it's half "this is how they performed last year" and half "this is how we project them to perform this year."

[BreakingBad2013]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

Yeah man, these totally arbitrary numbers you made up in terms of their performance really tell the truth. Never seen a 43 OVR right tackle but they'd definitely sometimes win against one of the best pass rushers in the NFL, but a 22? Dead.

Yes. Lol. Watch football, and tell me you've never seen a backup come in and do okay. And you've never watched football and watched a team get so low into depth, that that player isn't getting completely handled play in and play out.

[Cowboy008]

Even though those guys are some of the best WR's I still think those ratings are too high. Also think even though he didn't play all season last year that Dez should have been in the top 5.

[mrprice33]

Quote: Originally Posted by BreakingBad2013

Understandable, but stretching out ratings would change the entire makeup of the game. Maybe it's just me. But I have seen 60s and 70s become bonafied starters, and if they were 20s and 30s I feel the FEEL of how bad they are would actually show up. There's no much difference in madden between Brady, Mat Ryan, Derrick Carr, and Sam Bradford. Elite don't feel elite, and bonafied bums can do too much. It's a video game I get it, but I think stretching ratings allows you to put players in more realistic categories and less elite players would make the game better

The thing that separates those QBs is decision making, largely. Carr might have a slightly stronger arm than Brady now and Bradford might be slightly more or less accurate than Ryan, but it's their ability to read the field and make the right decision. The inability of Madden to make them distinct is largely an issue of programming and AI, not ratings. And when it comes to user-controlled QBs, well...that's what the vision cone was for.

When it comes to other positions, however, there are tangible differences between ratings. I *feel* the difference between having 90+ overall players across my offensive line compared to a mix of 70s. I *feel* the difference with highly-rated corners vs average ones. There will always need to be tweaks to the ratings, since it's such an inexact science, but getting caught up in the scale isn't particularly helpful. They could stretch the scale out to a 1-1000 level and it could still be poorly done.

[BreakingBad2013]

We'll agree to disagree. I have played with JJ Watt and watch him get manhandled one on one consistently. I've played with bad offensive lineman and felt like I had just as much time as when I had better OL. I can't feel the difference between Julio Jones and Breahaud Perriman unless you're talking Aggressive Carch, and even then it's 50/50.

Same with Latavius Murray and AP.

Same with Richard Sherman and Jalen Collins

And DTs have almost 0 differential to me. Maybe it'll change this year.