Madden NFL 17 Player Ratings - Top 5 Quarterbacks

[The JareBear]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

I can see how that may be difficult when you don't understand I am not talking about their talent but about the idea that they took street free agents and undrafted players and made them into stars (no-names.)

I concede that I was wrong about Ben Watson. I didn't realize the year he just had in NO, and the other circumstances surrounding his career.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by The JareBear

Brady has gone over 34+ TDs in 5 different seasons since the Moss years. The relationship was clearly mutualy beneficial, not sure why you are so defensive about what I said.

I'm not defensive at all. And yes that's my point. Up to that great year, Brady had 0 seasons over 30 tds and 1 over 4000 yards. If it weren't for Moss, the Patriots may have never changed their approach.

I think it's fair to mention that.

[jwing7]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

I was disputing the idea that they made no-name players great. They had plenty of players who were expected or known to be good. They weren't street free agents from the bottom of the barrel. I disputed that they were no-name players. And I did not say Brady and Manning were bad at any point. Aaron Rodgers had a bad situation he was playing in and he still made them look decent.

So Edlemen and Welker were can't miss prospects? Julius Thomas was a mid round project that benefited from Manning.

Rodgers is great. I just disagreed with you when you stated that Brady would've done worse with Rodgers cast last year.

[Mauer4MVP]

Quote: Originally Posted by Yazan Gable

I'm a Bears fan, we went from Grossman to Cutler. Hardly luck. And you have Teddy Bridgewater who is a phenomenal quarterback who last year was gimped by his offensive scheme, offensive line and receivers.

I like Teddy and think he has a chance to be top 10 (bottom top 10) and I agree that those reasons hindered his performance, but he does have some question marks. Definitely better than Ponder or T-Jack.

[Yazan Gable]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mauer4MVP

I like Teddy and think he has a chance to be top 10 (bottom top 10) and I agree that those reasons hindered his performance, but he does have some question marks. Definitely better than Ponder or T-Jack.

Doesn't have a cannon arm but then again Brady also has bad deep accuracy and throws floaters downfield and does perfectly fine. Sooner they decide to move away from catering to AP's needs on offense the sooner your team is contending for a Super Bowl with that defense and improved offensive line, honestly. It's why I get annoyed seeing Matt Stafford and Andy Dalton rated so highly and Rivers/Bridgewater/Mariota considered worse despite them being in horrific offensive situations.

[bears1387]

For having an equipment upgrade, sleeves still look awful when the elbow is bent...

[The JareBear]

Quote: Originally Posted by bears1387

For having an equipment upgrade, sleeves still look awful when the elbow is bent...

Yeah I noticed that too.

[roadman]

2nd round RB is over rated with the first two seasons with over 1000yds?

Sounds about right. lol