SCEA Bans Many Players for Using Exploits in MLB The Show 16

[Steven78]

https://m.reddit.com/r/MLBTheShow/co..._up_now_enjoy/

[Gosens6]

Very interesting podcast. I just don't believe SDS is 100% correct like they say they are. I firmly believe we'll see some retractions in the next coming days. This could get messy

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[SmashMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by baseballsim

PITCHING_REBEL also pointed out that these some or all of these flagged orders were dated on March 30th. The game was released on March 29th with major server problems. The Server performance was awful if you remember back then.

To me, this is the only tidbit that is interesting because it gives at least one specific timeframe. The rest of it...eh.

Really odd that apparently not one person has received an email explaining what they apparently did by now though. I've never been banned in a game, but I assume these companies usually tell someone what they did to receive the punishment.

[baseballsim]

Another odd thing is the marketplace being closed down. They fixed the supposed exploit a few weeks back but the marketplace was closed down just a few hours after the mass ban. Are they possibly implementing something to help prevent users from heavily using the marketplace? I hope not because I myself cannot afford to buy stubs with money. I need to use the marketplace in order to earn stubs.

One of the banned callers was also asked what he would like for compensation if it turned out that he was wrongfully banned. He mentioned he'd like some extra stubs or maybe Flashback cards (since those are the only cards he has yet to acquire). For those who weren't banned this wouldn't be too fair. But, I think PITCHING_REBEL had a better idea to be compensated with a free copy of MLB 17 The Show.

I think PITCHING_REBEL has the devs email address as part of a friendship.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Quote: Originally Posted by baseballsim

I can't believe I was able to sit through the whole podcast but I did and it was very insightful. For those who feel they are still on SDS side I highly recommend that you listen to the podcast https://soundcloud.com/scorespace/the-bangate-tapes. They had some folks that were banned call into the show. PITCHING_REBEL, the #1 player on the leaderboards was banned. He has an email of one of the developers and supposedly received a list of orders that were flagged. Some of these orders were for a measly 150 stubs. Why would an individual try to exploit a game with a 150 stub order? The email apparently also pointed out that they had made zero errors with these results yet there seems to be some sort of glitch at least once a week like the Collections Glitch recently. PITCHING_REBEL also mentioned he had over 1000 pages of transactions. I myself am at almost 900 pages. PITCHING_REBEL also pointed out that these some or all of these flagged orders were dated on March 30th. The game was released on March 29th with major server problems. The Server performance was awful if you remember back then. Another caller was Trevor who was one of the top 1% of exploiters. He was an aggressive card flipper but his strategy was no different than what he did last year. I think he said he had over 400 pages of transactions. 41 of those transactions were flagged with an amount of 3M stubs. Trevor earned 5 million stubs without even purchasing any stubs yet he's being penalized. There's really no pattern to pinpoint what caused all of these bans that I can think of. None of these callers had one specific thing in common other than they all were heavy users. After listening to this podcast I am very convinced that SDS made some sort of a mistake on their end.

None of this adds anything new, imo. Banned people still claiming innocence is par for the course and there is only circumstantial evidence here at best. More likely, these are people really ticked off that their game was taken away and they have nothing better to do right now than spin conspiracy theories.

So what if it was for 150 stubs? Some of the orders? What about the others? lol. So what if it's a top player? What does server performance have to do with anything? Wouldn't everybody playing the mode be subject to the same server limitations? All this detail is a distraction from the actual issue, imo.

It doesn't matter one iota if it's a "top player." In fact, you might wonder if some of these "top players" are that way because of systemic cheating and exploitation.

Once SDS comes out and says, "yes we messed up" and reinstate some people or "no we didn't," then people can start to move on from this fiasco. It's not really up to "the internet" to adjudicate this issue. SDS will either be right and there will still be a lot of anger or they will have made a mistake (at least with some users perhaps) and make up for it in some form or fashion. In the latter scenario, the PR will be bad in the short term, but long term there will be no effect.

[oski96]

Quote: Originally Posted by WaitTilNextYear

None of this adds anything new, imo. Banned people still claiming innocence is par for the course and there is only circumstantial evidence here at best. More likely, these are people really ticked off that their game was taken away and they have nothing better to do right now than spin conspiracy theories. So what if it was for 150 stubs? Some of the orders? What about the others? lol. So what if it's a top player? What does server performance have to do with anything? Wouldn't everybody playing the mode be subject to the same server limitations? All this detail is a distraction from the actual issue, imo. It doesn't matter one iota if it's a "top player." In fact, you might wonder if some of these "top players" are that way because of systemic cheating and exploitation. Once SDS comes out and says, "yes we messed up" and reinstate some people or "no we didn't," then people can start to move on from this fiasco. It's not really up to "the internet" to adjudicate this issue. SDS will either be right and there will still be a lot of anger or they will have made a mistake (at least with some users perhaps) and make up for it in some form or fashion. In the latter scenario, the PR will be bad in the short term, but long term there will be no effect.

You are missing the point by a large margin. For heavy market users, 10 - 20 k is NOTHING. There is no way it would be worth their time to "exploit" a glitch that results in them receiving a fraction of a percent of their stub total over the life of the game.

I mean, we get that you are on a witch hunt, but if you had the ability to see this objectively, you will agree it does not add up one bit.

[WaitTilNextYear]

Quote: Originally Posted by oski96

You are missing the point by a large margin. For heavy market users, 10 - 20 k is NOTHING. There is no way it would be worth their time to "exploit" a glitch that results in them receiving a fraction of a percent of their stub total over the life of the game. I mean, we get that you are on a witch hunt, but if you had the ability to see this objectively, you will agree it does not add up one bit.

While I enjoy your condescending tone, all 'evidence' produced so far by the banned is circumstantial at best (including your but but but guys can make so much more stubs doing something else!!!!!! argument) and a distraction at worst. For one, you're still relying on firsthand testimony of the banned to make your entire case...what if they actually got more stubs for it than they're letting on? There's no way for you to know that or not outside of what you got or didn't get personally.

You want to believe all these stories because you feel it helps advance your case that SDS is in error here and you, therefore, will be reinstated. Maybe you will be and maybe SDS is wrong, but go ahead and hang out here yelling your arguments into the void until you either get vindicated or don't, by all means.

[elbomberoloco]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

I don't know why people are so ready to believe someone that offers up justification/defense for being banned. I doubt you're going to get too many people who were banned to come right out and say, "yep I exploited the system. I cheated. I deserved to be banned."

I'm not too concerned on innocence here. I'm very concerned about buying a product, then randomly not being able to use that product to it's full extent. Sony has not put a message out what exactly these users did wrong, just some generic you did x event y amount of times for z amount of tokens. I mean exact description of the events so that I know as a consumer it's safe for me to play the way I want w/o the concern of being banned. I have spent money of stubs because I don't have 8-10 hours a day to be playing the market. I have 2ish hours a day if I'm lucky to play and sure as hell don't want to be playing stock broker, I bought a baseball game to play baseball (shocker). I'm fortunate to have disposable income to choose to spend if I want. However I'm very hesitant to spend any funds on this game with the threat of the company suspending my account with no explanation. Which is a little annoying to me because I just got some "free" amazon money and was going to parlay that into stubs to get Chipper this weekend...

The good thing with these forums, podcasts, and tweets, it will be well documented who is right and who is wrong here for all to see. Right now with Sony's silence and the lack of the web page still not supporting transactions not sure it's looking to good for Sony.