SCEA Bans Many Players for Using Exploits in MLB The Show 16

[Ghost Of The Year]

Quote: Originally Posted by GamecocksLaw17

Reading this thread is like reading a press release from a player that gets popped for PEDs. "I didn't knowingly do anything wrong." The people who did something wrong need to take responsibility and accept their penalty.

Quote: Originally Posted by GamecocksLaw17

Then don't sit back. Say whatever you want. But don't act surprised when I don't believe that. Don't act surprised when people are cynical

You can believe Sony got all the bannings right.
You can beliver Sony got some of the bannings right.
But you cannot believe both.

If you are reasonable, you will realize Sony ****** up in some of their bannings.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year

People ARE idiots. Sony has said doing this a few times is acceptable. I'm positive the great majorty deserved banning. But it sounds like Sony threw the baby out with the bath water & banned some people that didn't deserve it.

Who said they didn't deserve it? The people that got banned? Of course you're going to have those who got banned say they didn't deserve it and offer up the excuse that they unknowingly did this exploit. Of course you are. Everyone that gets caught is innocent in their own mind.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that SDS just willy nilly started banning people just for the sake of banning.

[GamecocksLaw17]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year

You can believe Sony got all the bannings right. You can beliver Sony got some of the bannings right. But you cannot believe both. If you are reasonable, you will realize Sony ****** up in some of their bannings.

Maybe we read things differently but I believe my direct word choice was "The people who did something wrong need to take responsibility and accept their penalty."

I believe that means that some people did NOTHING wrong. But have we seen even 1 person own up to their lying/cheating/fraud/theft?

[SmashMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year

If you are reasonable, you will realize Sony ****** up in some of their bannings.

There is no way to know this at this point. It's possible that some people unintentionally stumbled into the exploit and got popped for it, but that doesn't make the bans themselves illegitimate.

How likely that is will only be known when Sony returns some emails and word leaks out about what the exploit was.

[redsox4evur]

Quote: Originally Posted by countryboy

Who said they didn't deserve it? The people that got banned? Of course you're going to have those who got banned say they didn't deserve it and offer up the excuse that they unknowingly did this exploit. Of course you are. Everyone that gets caught is innocent in their own mind. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that SDS just willy nilly started banning people just for the sake of banning.

They didn't willy nilly ban people. Like I said earlier they took the time between the patch to fix the exploit and the day of the mass banning to review every case multiple times. So if you got banned there a good chance you did something.


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[Ghost Of The Year]

This is what your post should have said:

Quote: Originally Posted by redsox4evur

They didn't willy nilly ban people. Like I said earlier they took the time between the patch to fix the exploit and the day of the mass banning to review every case multiple times. So if you got banned, you did something. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Because we can't say that, that's my whole problem with this deal.
Like Smashman says when Emails are returned, we will know more. W
When some bans are lifted, & I have no doubt some will because in all my time with the Show, for whatever mistakes Sony has made, they are standup & accountable to correct those mistakes.

[srdclark]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ghost Of The Year

You can't accidently rob a bank. But it sounds like you can accidently trigger this. If you buy & sell a lot, it wouldn;t be hard to trigger this a lot , esp. if you ty to cancel on your ps4 & see it didn't register while you're on your phone & try to cancel again.Sony screwed up in the first place by even making cancellations possible.

You absolutely can rob a bank accidentally.

If you ask the teller for $100 but she accidentally hands you 6 $20 bills but you don't notice until you get home, you have robbed them accidentally. They are unlikely to prosecute you for it, even if they find the occurrence on their cameras. It's only $20 and it was clearly an accident.

But you notice a pattern - if you go in right before lunch time, that one teller always mis-counts because she's over hungry. So you start going in at that time every day, making $20 each time. Then you get really brazen - you re-deposit your money using the ATM, then get back in line. Now you can do this cycle multiple times per day. At what point does the bank decide that this is no longer accidental?

Of course, this situation wouldn't be repeatable in real life. The teller would have been fired for her till shortages. Unfortunately, this is what automation of services online provides - repeatable situations that wouldn't be repeatable in real life. Modern life revolves around these systems that allow bulk, rapid transfer of data, and none of them are bulletproof. Credit fraud is possible because of flaws in the system; would you argue that credit fraud should be legal since the onus is on the credit providers to provide a foolproof system? Should theft be legal if you can find a way to do it when nobody is looking?

That premise, that systems should be infallible before being released to production, is deeply flawed. If we all held to that, we would be bartering with livestock and the only game we would be playing would be farm simulator simulator - which is actually just working on a farm.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by srdclark

You absolutely can rob a bank accidentally. If you ask the teller for $100 but she accidentally hands you 6 $20 bills but you don't notice until you get home, you have robbed them accidentally. They are unlikely to prosecute you for it, even if they find the occurrence on their cameras. It's only $20 and it was clearly an accident. But you notice a pattern - if you go in right before lunch time, that one teller always mis-counts because she's over hungry. So you start going in at that time every day, making $20 each time. Then you get really brazen - you re-deposit your money using the ATM, then get back in line. Now you can do this cycle multiple times per day. At what point does the bank decide that this is no longer accidental? Of course, this situation wouldn't be repeatable in real life. The teller would have been fired for her till shortages. Unfortunately, this is what automation of services online provides - repeatable situations that wouldn't be repeatable in real life. Modern life revolves around these systems that allow bulk, rapid transfer of data, and none of them are bulletproof. Credit fraud is possible because of flaws in the system; would you argue that credit fraud should be legal since the onus is on the credit providers to provide a foolproof system? Should theft be legal if you can find a way to do it when nobody is looking? That premise, that systems should be infallible before being released to production, is deeply flawed. If we all held to that, we would be bartering with livestock and the only game we would be playing would be farm simulator simulator - which is actually just working on a farm.

None of that analogy about how a bank works is accurate.

If too much money is given the account is debited the additional twenty at the end of the night and that's the end of the story.

If there comes a point where it becomes a pattern we just close your account and say we're done doing business with you.


Some of these analogies are getting a bit out of hand.