SCEA Bans Many Players for Using Exploits in MLB The Show 16

[oski96]

Quote: Originally Posted by NKRDIBL

It's SDS's product. If you feel like they're taking advantage of you. Play a different game. Noone has a gun to your head. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk

And nobody has a gun to SDS' head.

That is the point. The relationship between consumer and producer has to have some semblance of trust. Regardless of actions taken (or not taken) I cannot believe SDS has so little regard for its consumers that it takes the position, "Well, we don't have to since you don't have a gun to our head."

Instead, like any business intent on making money, SDS has a commitment to serving its customers. One of the important things it wants and the customer wants is to rid its game of cheaters. I think SDS had good intentions here, but its execution is way off the mark - to the point were it is deplorable: no transparency, arrogance in claiming its (ITS!) glitch can only be exploited intentionally; no forewarning about their glitch to the community (as if they were trying to entrap people - indeed, they have known of this glitch for weeks), no explanation as to how their sweep detects the purported cheaters, no opportunity for the banned player to explain him/herself in order to get an overturn or reduction OF A PERMANENT BAN.

I can't believe you would really think this is the hallmark of a well run business.

[oski96]

Quote: Originally Posted by NKRDIBL

Rumor is the glitch was deleted buy orders on your phone/tablet/pc then deleting them on your PS4 moment later. While the system didn't recognize the first delete. Double the stubs were returned into your account. If that's the case. There is zero chance anyone would be doing this unwillingly. Unless you cam think of a way it would be an accident. The "sweep" should be pretty strait forward. The game should code a time a buy order is placed. And should be giving an order number. If multiple receipts exist for that order number. I'm sure it would flag strait away. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk

I appreciate your answer and I am sure this is consistent with what SDS has said.

However, and sadly, this is 100% incorrect. I know because I have never deleted orders from my computer and then done so on my PS4. I know that for a fact.

I do market orders from work and then later come home. Under your scenario, the glitch would not be triggered.

On weekends, i only use my computer when my son is on PS4 (otherwise, I do all trades from PS4 - since its way easier). If my son says he is done and I can play, I eventually go to the PS4, start the program and check my orders before playing a game.

Under your scenario, that would not trigger the glitch.

Yet, I have been banned. Many others have the same story as me. Some may be lying, but I would bet everything I own that not all of them are lying. In fact, I believe most are telling the truth.

Anyhow, the answer to the question lies in what I believe to be the false assumption that the glitch can only be triggered intentionally, and in one certain manner.

I believe the assumption is false, because I have never cleared my buy orders on computer or phone and then ran (I don't run anywhere, btw) to my PS4 to re-clear orders. I know that for a fact. You don't have to believe me, and it really doesn't matter if you do.

[NKRDIBL]

Quote: Originally Posted by oski96

I appreciate your answer and I am sure this is consistent with what SDS has said. However, and sadly, this is 100% incorrect. I know because I have never deleted orders from my computer and then done so on my PS4. I know that for a fact. I do market orders from work and then later come home. Under your scenario, the glitch would not be triggered. On weekends, i only use my computer when my son is on PS4 (otherwise, I do all trades from PS4 - since its way easier). If my son says he is done and I can play, I eventually go to the PS4, start the program and check my orders before playing a game. Under your scenario, that would not trigger the glitch. Yet, I have been banned. Many others have the same story as me. Some may be lying, but I would bet everything I own that not all of them are lying. In fact, I believe most are telling the truth. Anyhow, the answer to the question lies in what I believe to be the false assumption that the glitch can only be triggered intentionally, and in one certain manner. I believe the assumption is false, because I have never cleared my buy orders on computer or phone and then ran (I don't run anywhere, btw) to my PS4 to re-clear orders. I know that for a fact. You don't have to believe me, and it really doesn't matter if you do.

This glitch could have been done on just a computer as well. It didn't need to be done by going back and fourth between devices.

And I've stated this before. Everything you and so many others are claiming to have done. I do the exact same thing. And I can still play. So something is different. I get there is frustration on not knowing what, but they don't owe you an explanation.

Instead of clamoring for answers. As I have also said before. Boycott the product. Let the world know the scam they're running (or whatever you may believe). Trying to plead your innocence isn't getting you anywhere. Not with the community and not with ramone.

And it's SDS's business. And the customer is not always right. The business has the product. Has the demand. They make the calls.

Maybe in the end they will admit this huge F up on there end. But if that's what you're holding out for, don't get your hopes up.

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[oski96]

Quote: Originally Posted by NKRDIBL

This glitch could have been done on just a computer as well. It didn't need to be done by going back and fourth between devices. And I've stated this before. Everything you and so many others are claiming to have done. I do the exact same thing. And I can still play. So something is different. I get there is frustration on not knowing what, but they don't owe you an explanation. Instead of clamoring for answers. As I have also said before. Boycott the product. Let the world know the scam they're running (or whatever you may believe). Trying to plead your innocence isn't getting you anywhere. Not with the community and not with ramone. And it's SDS's business. And the customer is not always right. The business has the product. Has the demand. They make the calls. Maybe in the end they will admit this huge F up on there end. But if that's what you're holding out for, don't get your hopes up. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk

I don't want to boycott the product. For all its flaws (and I have never complained about them) I love playing the game. I have spent hundreds of hours playing this iteration. A boycott will not serve me in any way.

You seem to have more information about the glitch - so, you are sure it can be done just by using a computer? how would that work? how can you delete our queue and delete it again?

Please explain (I really don't get that).

[SmashMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by oski96

It's really odd to claim that everyone banned "knowingly exploited a system" when you do not know any details of how they determined who was cheating.

I never said everyone, and I never singled you out. I thought it was pretty clear I was speaking generally based on what I've read across various boards.

As I also said in the previous post, while I believe SCEA saying they investigated these, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that some innocent people were caught in this. Email them ([email protected]) and press for more specific details to find out what you stumbled into that flagged you in their system.

[NKRDIBL]

Quote: Originally Posted by oski96

I don't want to boycott the product. For all its flaws (and I have never complained about them) I love playing the game. I have spent hundreds of hours playing this iteration. A boycott will not serve me in any way. You seem to have more information about the glitch - so, you are sure it can be done just by using a computer? how would that work? how can you delete our queue and delete it again? Please explain (I really don't get that).

I do believe if you were to open multiple tabs on a computer with the same my Orders screen open. Then deleted them simultaneously that you may trigger the glitch. Same as deleting from your phone whole clicking cancel on your computer so PS4.

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[oski96]

Quote: Originally Posted by NKRDIBL

Trying to plead your innocence isn't getting you anywhere. Not with the community and not with ramone. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk

I am not pleading anything. I am simply asking for an explanation of this process that led to my account being banned (on a game I have paid for and use properly).

Once I get that information, I intend to explain (and not to you, but SDS) how nothing I did (or am being accused of) was intentional or designed to benefit me by getting "free stubs." I know you don't care (and that is fine) but I am certain that if I get the opportunity to work through this with SDS they will be convinced I did nothing intentionally wrong. I also think that would be the case with many of the other banned.

And I don't care about Ramone, either. He is basically a "yes man" and has no real authority here. Also, his demeanor is completely inappropriate for a person who's job is to deal with the public. As you say, "that's SDS' business," and indeed it is. That doesn't mean it is sound business.

Anyhow, since your position is that someone that has something unfairly taken from them and on top of that labeled a "cheater" should just address the problem by a boycott, I don't think there is much room for productive conversation with you.

[oski96]

Quote: Originally Posted by NKRDIBL

I do believe if you were to open multiple tabs on a computer with the same my Orders screen open. Then deleted them simultaneously that you may trigger the glitch. Same as deleting from your phone whole clicking cancel on your computer so PS4. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk

I assume you mean "two windows." I don't see how you can do anything simultaneously with two tabs because you'd have to switch back and forth. For that matter, I don't see how you could do it on two open windows, either - how could you have cursor on both windows at the same time?