PES 2017 Teaser Trailer - Control Reality, Plenty More Details Revealed

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by half-fast

Agreed. Dont get me wrong, I had players do all kinds of weird things in both PES and FIFA, in different ways, however, one thing that did(does) drive me nuts about PES is the angles the ai players take to get where theyre going. This needs to be changed, without question. I however refuse to let EA ruin soccer as they have hockey, so I choose to buy Pro Evo no matter what. I always do find some fun with it, thats for sure.

Yes, I will definitely be buying both regardless. I always do. It still pains me to have played FIFA more than PES these last couple of years.

I do think it's funny that they show those detection radars (what are they called now?) and it is not even following defending 101 basic principles of cutting off the angle of the pass, or even attempting it. Midfielder from the top left should be holding the spot in between ball carrier and his outlet to the right, all day.

Common sense cannot be the focus in these trailers though, I get that, but PES 16 was full of so much bad, that the feeling of immediate remedy has been long overdue.

[KG]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

Agreed, ball still doesn't seem "loose", that trailer looked like a captain tsubasa episode, but I get it. The issue I have is the players off the ball that are moving in transition. Like the gif here... Player at the bottom is sprinting back as if on a rail, and then the midfielder coming from the top left is taking an absolutely terrible angle to the ball carrier. Even if that was the right angle, the running motion from side to side is not human, it looks like a Madden 2008 running back shifting back and forth.

The guy on the bottom (Juanfran) is covering Alexis' run after getting caught too far upfield. It looks awkward because of the head-tracking where in this instance, as a former RB myself, you'd be hauling a** to get back.

Koke could have definitely taken a better angle but I'd more concerned that Ozil successfully beats 3 Atletico players in front of his own box, who are all closing down like crazy instead of playing the safe pass back to Kosc, Cech, or even a quick lay-off to Elleny.

On one hand it's just a trailer released to show off the new control (it is a beautiful turn, as is Alexis') and graphics (players faces look great but the shorts are still 2 sizes to big). On the other hand it's flash over substance which IMO plagued the series last year as I thought the game was dumbed-down/ignored fundamentals to attract a more arcadey crowd.

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by KG

The guy on the bottom (Juanfran) is covering Alexis' run after getting caught too far upfield. It looks awkward because of the head-tracking where in this instance, as a former RB myself, you'd be hauling a** to get back. Koke could have definitely taken a better angle but I'd more concerned that Ozil successfully beats 3 Atletico players in front of his own box, who are all closing down like crazy instead of playing the safe pass back to Kosc, Cech, or even a quick lay-off to Elleny. On one hand it's just a trailer released to show off the new control (it is a beautiful turn, as is Alexis') and graphics (players faces look great but the shorts are still 2 sizes to big). On the other hand it's flash over substance which IMO plagued the series last year as I thought the game was dumbed-down/ignored fundamentals to attract a more arcadey crowd.

Well said, sir, yes as a former LB myself, that run definitely happens, but it's not a dead straight, perfect line sprint - which is what has plagued the fox engine from PES 14 and beyond.

I love what you said though, it's just a trailer, and it's for show off. I mean the first kick of it was a Rabona played from the side to the center of the pitch, perfectly passed and perfectly controlled - kidding me.

PES and FIFA would do well to get the basics down first, then add in the rest of the flair, etc. PES especially have struggled with the fox engine's implementation of the simplest defending understandings.

[dmendenhall_9]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

Well said, sir, yes as a former LB myself, that run definitely happens, but it's not a dead straight, perfect line sprint - which is what has plagued the fox engine from PES 14 and beyond. I love what you said though, it's just a trailer, and it's for show off. I mean the first kick of it was a Rabona played from the side to the center of the pitch, perfectly passed and perfectly controlled - kidding me. PES and FIFA would do well to get the basics down first, then add in the rest of the flair, etc. PES especially have struggled with the fox engine's implementation of the simplest defending understandings.

Have you guys read much of the impressions from E3 and PES day? PES is getting a lot of love from guys who weren't that into 16 (which makes me excited). I wouldn't over analyze one gif too much. They are just trying to show off how some cool stuff in a trailer. It looks like Atletico is set to have a Gegenpress so I can understand why they are attacking so hard (also heard tactics work really well so if you are playing and have your team set up they obviously won't be doing what is going on here). Though, I still dislike some of those running animations (you can actual change them for each player if willing and they have better-looking ones, ha. Maybe someone will do it and share the option file!). And that on the rails runnings is annoying but the gif cuts out the entire image so hard to get a good look at it. Will have to see some actual gameplay but even then still hard to tell until you get your hands on it. Heard defensive AI is MUCH improved, along with keepers, and shot dynamics. Gulp.

[BrianFifaFan]

Love a lot of what was in that trailer. But I'm not going to buy it if the PC version isn't the same as the consoles. This hybrid thing is really old. I have an i7, and a Titan Black. That said, equal game to the consoles, must have game.

[DBMcGee3]

Quote: Originally Posted by half-fast

The ball still looks like it floats on those small bounces, which is an eyesore still. This trailer doesnt show too much, but im excited anyway. Its a definite buy for me - have to keep FIFAs competition making money. The one thing that bothers the *heck* out of me in PES, is the skill moves. They often look better, but are too stupid to pull off. The step overs and body feints are so stupid in this game. The skill moves need more life and faster execution speed, and snappier response.

Agree 100% with the skill moves. The step overs are so latent that they aren't effective whatsoever, and overall I've always felt it's just a little slower and less responsive than FIFA. There are also less moves to choose from.

[KG]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

Well said, sir, yes as a former LB myself, that run definitely happens, but it's not a dead straight, perfect line sprint - which is what has plagued the fox engine from PES 14 and beyond. I love what you said though, it's just a trailer, and it's for show off. I mean the first kick of it was a Rabona played from the side to the center of the pitch, perfectly passed and perfectly controlled - kidding me. PES and FIFA would do well to get the basics down first, then add in the rest of the flair, etc. PES especially have struggled with the fox engine's implementation of the simplest defending understandings.

That was the first thing that jumped out at me. I can't remember the last time I saw someone pull a rabona in the middle of the pitch, let alone it was with Griezman's right foot which defeats the purpose of the rabona. You attempt a rabona to avoid using your weaker foot.

Quote: Originally Posted by DBMcGee3

Agree 100% with the skill moves. The step overs are so latent that they aren't effective whatsoever, and overall I've always felt it's just a little slower and less responsive than FIFA. There are also less moves to choose from.

I echo the sentiments about skill moves. I think they generally look better than FIFA's but they're so hard to pull off and some of them aren't tuned properly as it relates to speed

[Smutka]

Now someone make us Finnish Veikkausliiga to play