Madden NFL 17 Releases on August 23, Cover Athlete & Gameplay Trailer on May 12

[ODogg]

Who is goign to be the cover guy do you all think? I hope its not Ezekiel Elliot and ruin his career before it starts..

[Gridiron]

Quote: Originally Posted by SolidSquid

First one is a perfect example of atrocious blocking. A guard a tackle and a RB all do literally nothing as the dline man goes untouched to the qb. The second clip I have zero issue with. One of the best defensive linemen in the game splits a double team and gets a sack, that's football.

No way.

He had no advantage there. #76 already took his body outside, you can see the defenders body turned in that direction. If he could've broken back to #76's inside shoulder and it was a 1-on-1, then yeah it would've been believable, but it became fiction when #70 added on and yet somehow lost his position entirely when the defender used one free arm? Not believable at all. You're not going to throw a 300+ pound man with only half your body leverage with just one free arm. Even Reggie White couldn't have pulled that one off. Maybe The Incredible Hulk, maybe.

And to make it worse, the lineman then warps over to another defender that was already handled.

I don't see anything sim about that play.

[Dwaresacksqb]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gridiron

No way. He had no advantage there. #76 already took his body outside, you can see the defenders body turned in that direction. If he could've broken back to #76's inside shoulder and it was a 1-on-1, then yeah it would've been believable, but it became fiction when #70 added on and yet somehow lost his position entirely when the defender used one free arm? Not believable at all. You're not going to throw a 300+ pound man with only half your body leverage with just one free arm. Even Reggie White couldn't have pulled that one off. Maybe The Incredible Hulk, maybe. And to make it worse, the lineman then warps over to another defender that was already handled. I don't see anything sim about that play.

It's really not a problem with A.I. read my comments on page 8. The game does not allow that guard to do anything else after the blocking was split and defender by him. If you didn't like how it looked when the D lineman split the double team, then that is an issue with animations. The guards shoulder was turned when the defender made a move inside the two lineman. Madden 16 does not allow anything else to happen other than go help the center with his guy.

[Gridiron]

Quote: Originally Posted by Dwaresacksqb

It's really not a problem with A.I. read my comments on page 8. The game does not allow that guard to do anything else after the blocking was split and defender by him. If you didn't like how it looked when the D lineman split the double team, then that is an issue with animations. The guards shoulder was turned when the defender made a move inside the two lineman. Madden 16 does not allow anything else to happen other than go help the center with his guy.

I'm not sure I follow, because AFAIK, AI is what tells the animated model what to do. Without it, how would the model choose where to go or what to do?

Just sounds like a shortcoming of both things. Not having animations to address situations, and AI issues having players do things they shouldn't do.

[ODogg]

Oh I'm sorry, I thought I stepped into the thread talking about Madden 17 and the cover athlete, not an analysis of Madden 16s offensive line blocking.

#ridiculous

[SolidSquid]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gridiron

No way. He had no advantage there. #76 already took his body outside, you can see the defenders body turned in that direction. If he could've broken back to #76's inside shoulder and it was a 1-on-1, then yeah it would've been believable, but it became fiction when #70 added on and yet somehow lost his position entirely when the defender used one free arm? Not believable at all. You're not going to throw a 300+ pound man with only half your body leverage with just one free arm. Even Reggie White couldn't have pulled that one off. Maybe The Incredible Hulk, maybe. And to make it worse, the lineman then warps over to another defender that was already handled. I don't see anything sim about that play.

Well there's no weight detection in the game and I don't think there will ever be so this is the best we are gonna get.

[Gridiron]

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Quote: Originally Posted by SolidSquid

Well there's no weight detection in the game and I don't think there will ever be so this is the best we are gonna get.

True.

[SolidSquid]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gridiron

I'm not sure I follow, because AFAIK, AI is what tells the animated model what to do. Without it, how would the model choose where to go or what to do? Just sounds like a shortcoming of both things. Not having animations to address situations, and AI issues having players do things they shouldn't do.

Go back and read his post on page 8, it very informative and tells you why we see what we see. Every olineman has a "radius" in game that determines where they are "allowed" to move. It was EAs way of creating a resemblence of a pocket and its part of the reason we have all these issues now.