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[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by seanhazz1

That intangible display of tendencies you say the game is lacking, is in the DAILY synergy update. Dirk is playing like Dirk so it's not an issue. Editing is something they already confirmed they are gradually giving us over time, as they figure out how to give it to us without allowing us to break the game. If the listed information on the player card tells you how to defend as you said, then it's also telling you what they are doing. It's not as direct as some may prefer, but you can definitely put the information together and use it effectively to your advantage. There are 12 listed tendencies for each player. Minor? The combination of their synergy + ratings are working. How do we know the ratings are not position specific to make stars stand out? These ratings do not act like they do in 2k, because of the synergy component that no one is sure of, and because it's just a different game, but some people sure seem to want to rate its players that way. It's Understandable. I'm not against editing, I'm against editing without a clue, and we still have no real clue how it all works, and as long as it's working why change unless the objective is simply fantasy rosters, not sim. We are still trying to figure out sliders. Also, at this point, It appears as if they did give it to you (editing) it would be overwritten everyday anyway at this point with an update. It would be only useful in dynasty at present. A feature sure to be called a bug with editing involved. Dirk WILL post-up a mismatch in game because he's smart and good enough, he plays primarily from the right side( right handed). He goes off the dribble right side mostly and more likely catch and shoot when receiving on the left side. A quick review of his highlight films, a major data point for synergy sports info, as they actually break down film, to get their data, will confirm his in game tendency is as you see it on tv. .....and Kobe plays like a badly aging star, good in spots, but much more erratic, and sliders will change that too. Just because we are unclear of what their data set is providing doesn't mean it's not working correctly. We are still experimenting as this is likely the first game of the last 3 without the bugs weighing us down so we can deep dive effectively, and instead we don't. Similarly stated on the forums a few times, if Dirk/Kobe (any star) thinks you are the weak link, they (AI) will go after you every time, breaking away from the play to iso you just like IRL. On Synergy: I wonder if the Cavs will play like crap (warriors unbeatable) all day after last night's butt kicking and synergy update? Only against the Warriors? Many questions still remain about the game.

You aren't reading what I'm saying.

You keep mentioning things like "he goes right" when that isn't what I'm concerned with. You also mention editing. I don't know why.

I'm talking about player tendencies specific to where they like the ball and where they shoot. Not how they shoot. Where.

That is not in Synergy. That is not in the player tendency ratings in live.

What good does Dirk driving right do if he's driving right underneath the basket?

He doesn't play that way in real life. Ever.

[Calvenn]

Quote: Originally Posted by seanhazz1

That intangible display of tendencies you say the game is lacking, is in the DAILY synergy update. Dirk is playing like Dirk so it's not an issue. Editing is something they already confirmed they are gradually giving us over time, as they figure out how to give it to us without allowing us to break the game. If the listed information on the player card tells you how to defend as you said, then it's also telling you what they are doing. It's not as direct as some may prefer, but you can definitely put the information together and use it effectively to your advantage. There are 12 listed tendencies for each player. Minor? The combination of their synergy + ratings are working. How do we know the ratings are not position specific to make stars stand out? These ratings do not act like they do in 2k, because of the synergy component that no one is sure of, and because it's just a different game, but some people sure seem to want to rate its players that way. It's Understandable. I'm not against editing, I'm against editing without a clue, and we still have no real clue how it all works, and as long as it's working why change unless the objective is simply fantasy rosters, not sim. We are still trying to figure out sliders. Also, at this point, It appears as if they did give it to you (editing) it would be overwritten everyday anyway at this point with an update. It would be only useful in dynasty at present. A feature sure to be called a bug with editing involved. Dirk WILL post-up a mismatch in game because he's smart and good enough, he plays primarily from the right side( right handed). He goes off the dribble right side mostly and more likely catch and shoot when receiving on the left side. A quick review of his highlight films, a major data point for synergy sports info, as they actually break down film, to get their data, will confirm his in game tendency is as you see it on tv. .....and Kobe plays like a badly aging star, good in spots, but much more erratic, and sliders will change that too. Just because we are unclear of what their data set is providing doesn't mean it's not working correctly. We are still experimenting as this is likely the first game of the last 3 without the bugs weighing us down so we can deep dive effectively, and instead we don't. Similarly stated on the forums a few times, if Dirk/Kobe (any star) thinks you are the weak link, they (AI) will go after you every time, breaking away from the play to iso you just like IRL. On Synergy: I wonder if the Cavs will play like crap (warriors unbeatable) all day after last night's butt kicking and synergy update? Only against the Warriors? Many questions still remain about the game.

I can confirm a lot of what has been stated here after delving deeper into this game and making repetitive analysis and observations, e.g, the CPU repeatedly engaging in ISO ball upon detection of a defensively weaker opponent. I agree with his assessment that though there are several unknowns still, Synergy has come a long way and we are finally seeing the fruits of this effort. I only expect improvements going forward.

[Calvenn]

Quote: Originally Posted by CMH

Yes but that's not a tendency for where they like to shoot. I don't care if Kobe likes to drive right. I want the game to also know he likes to take mid range jumpers instead of driving to the basket. The tendencies you mention are minor. They don't do much but tell you how to defend them. It's a good addition but it ignores the most basic element to making these guys play like themselves. Nothing in those tendencies or ratings tells the AI that Dirk Nowitzki likes to take mid range jump shots. It says he can shoot mid range jump shots successfully. It says he likes to go one direction over the other when he takes mid range jump shots. It also says if he prefers to post up to get the ball. But it does not say Dirk Nowitzki has a tendency to shoot mid range jump shots. So there is no way to get Nowitzki to play like himself. Instead he posts up by the blocks and goes the direction he likes and makes the shot. That's nice of him to do so, but nothing close to the type of player and game he plays.

I get where you are coming from. Just curious, what level of difficulty are you playing on?

[CMH]

Quote: Originally Posted by Calvenn

I get where you are coming from. Just curious, what level of difficulty are you playing on?

All star I believe. Whatever is below Superstar, above Pro.

[seanhazz1]

Any Cavs users play with the Cavs in exhibition, with or against after the last Warriors game? How did the team play(I didn't get to test) after the last update?

[Calvenn]

To clarify a statement I made earlier about interior defense on All Star. On default settings, post defense is ok ( could use more work but reasonable), however, as I modified sliders in hopes of tightening perimeter defense, post defense took a rather drastic and noticeable drop.

[Twotimetony]

Anyone else have trouble with jumpers/3's in Rising Star. I'm on the Suns, and no one on my team can throw it in the ocean. Open or not. Sucks having to score 80% or more of my points in the paint.

[BL8001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Twotimetony

Anyone else have trouble with jumpers/3's in Rising Star. I'm on the Suns, and no one on my team can throw it in the ocean. Open or not. Sucks having to score 80% or more of my points in the paint.

This exact same thing happens in LUT.

The frustrating thing is the cpu gets to score in varied ways, although the magical offensive rebound and then two foot jumper is their stock point getter.

I just hate running a play perfectly, misdirecting the cpu D and then finding a freed up shooter only to have them clank the jumper. Or watching someone like jimmy buckets stand there wide open, know the cpu is going to make him miss so look at other options then finally go ok you really are going to leave him wide open cpu? Throw it over and he shoots an airball.

Meanwhile if I ever sag off the cpu, or double or triple team them, they make the longer shots.

LUT degenerates into me slam dunking or getting close enough I can grab my own rebound if the cpu decides no you may not make this close jumper.

It does not feel right, it feels artificial.

And no, every shot you take should not drop.

Just watching what goes for the cpu vs what doesn't go for me tells the whole story.