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[Hopsin]

I feel like we got off subject tbh. Arguing his dunk ability is pointless, just like arguing with Rashidi is.
The real problem is why is his stats steadily going down when he is playing very good ball. It makes no sense.

[coolcras7]

Quote: Originally Posted by dnyce87

To rashidi and everyone else who is downplaying roses dunking ability BEFORE INJURIES: We are not arguing how many freaking times rose has dunked in a season, over his career, or how many poster dunks he has. We are simply stating a fact that stats DO NOT show and often mislead people. Derrick Rose BEFORE his injuries was clear to see he was a FREAK of nature athletically LIKE westbrook LIKE wall. No one is saying he was better dunker, better poster jammer, or more dunks than westbrook and wall. This all started because rashidi said Rose was "NOWHERE NEAR" the dunker Wall and westbrook are. All those videos that were shown proves he is in the same class as westbrook and wall when it comes to dunking ability alone. No stats, no records, NOTHING ELSE. The present Derrick Rose is out of the conversation and deserves to have his dunk rating and tendency lowered. No argument there. Hope this clears things up have a nice day.

I think most people would have been fine if it was only his dunking attributes taking a hit, but all but the 1-7-15 roster had him taking a major decrease in a multitude of attributes, if this was the beginning of the season I would say fine, but really now it makes no sense.

[Crea8vity]

Quote: Originally Posted by coolcras7

I think most people would have been fine if it was only his dunking attributes taking a hit, but all but the 1-7-15 roster had him taking a major decrease in a multitude of attributes, if this was the beginning of the season I would say fine, but really now it makes no sense.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hopsin

I feel like we got off subject tbh. Arguing his dunk ability is pointless, just like arguing with Rashidi is. The real problem is why is his stats steadily going down when he is playing very good ball. It makes no sense.

Exactly... it makes no sense at all to a point where I think Beds has a major problem with Rose

[ksuttonjr76]

Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyOvaHuds

You're very ignorant lol , Players in the NBA can be athletic but choose not to surround their game strictly on that. Rose has always had very good stop and go speed knowing the right time to display of similar to a RB . And no I'm displaying some of my opinion on documented data when comparing to players physical ability when both played around the same time in the league . Obviously not now because Russ is the better Athlete . Both players 5 years ago were the two of the most athletic PGs the league have seen and were the new breed .

No one said Rose wasn't an athletic PG. We're just saying he's not on the same level of a dunker as Westbrook. It's like comparing Vince Carter to Jason Richardson (not comparing their stardom). Both players are athletic, but one is clearly a better in game dunker than the other.

[dnyce87]

Quote: Originally Posted by ksuttonjr76

No one said Rose wasn't an athletic PG. We're just saying he's not on the same level of a dunker as Westbrook. It's like comparing Vince Carter to Jason Richardson (not comparing their stardom). Both players are athletic, but one is clearly a better in game dunker than the other.

Both guys have a different style of play. Westbrook relied more on raw athletic ability to punish the defense whereas rose relied more on his skill and acrobatics, but can be an explosive dunker if need be and clearly shown in the videos. So many instances of players who were athletic as fu**, but didn't apply it in game it doesn't mean that the player who dunks more or on people in a game is more athletic or a better overall dunker. It just means their tendency to dunk and frequency of successful in game dunks are better.

If we're talking strictly in game dunking yes I would give it to westbrook as he is much more prone to try and slam it home. As far as dunking ability/creativity/verticality, prime Rose was right there with Westbrook. Two different topics: In game dunking vs Dunking ability and let's not get that confused.

As I said before, to say that Rose WAS nowhere near the dunker Wall & Westbrook is, that is just blasphemy; if the videos aren't enough to show that dunking ability/creativity/verticality then idk what is. I don't want to drag this out as it is derailing the thread, so this is my last chime on the rose/westbrook debate. We agree to disagree I guess.

[ksuttonjr76]

Quote: Originally Posted by dnyce87

Both guys have a different style of play. Westbrook relied more on raw athletic ability to punish the defense whereas rose relied more on his skill and acrobatics, but can be an explosive dunker if need be and clearly shown in the videos. So many instances of players who were athletic as fu**, but didn't apply it in game it doesn't mean that the player who dunks more or on people in a game is more athletic or a better overall dunker. It just means their tendency to dunk and frequency of successful in game dunks are better. If we're talking strictly in game dunking yes I would give it to westbrook as he is much more prone to try and slam it home. As far as dunking ability/creativity/verticality, prime Rose was right there with Westbrook. Two different topics: In game dunking vs Dunking ability and let's not get that confused. As I said before, to say that Rose WAS nowhere near the dunker Wall & Westbrook is, that is just blasphemy; if the videos aren't enough to show that dunking ability/creativity/verticality then idk what is. I don't want to drag this out as it is derailing the thread, so this is my last chime on the rose/westbrook debate. We agree to disagree I guess.

What defines a player over time is what he do on the court consistently, and not what's he capable of or have the potential to do. Either he does it, or he don't. Most of the NBA 2K ratings are performance based.

Hence, I going to be more specific. Rose is no where near to being a dunker that can do it in traffic, over defender(s), and with the level of success that Westbrook has been able to do it. Rose and Westbrook, based on in game performances over multiple seasons, are not equal NBA dunkers while the game is being played.

We'll agree to disagree.

[BoriquenIntel]

Not to painfully drag this topic any longer but it was much too tempting..

Okay, we all know Rashidi is a scouting master. Yet, to say D. Rose was "nowhere near" the dunker R. Westbrook because he didn't dunk as much is borderline folly.

Imo, just because you dunk more than someone else in a game doesn't mean you're a better dunker, per se. It might mean that you just have more length (height, wingspan, size of hands, etc.) or that your position on the floor involves you being closer to the basket.

That's like saying prime JR Smith is nowhere near the dunker Quincy Acy is because Quincy Acy dunks more often. Which might be half true, depending on what definition we're using for "dunker".

Overall, at max health, I'd give R. Westbrook the edge over a prime D. Rose in dunking ability in games. R. Westbrook is the longer guy and he simply likes dunking more. If it were a dunk contest it would be a toss up.

What an interesting topic lol

[Real2KInsider]

Quote: Originally Posted by coolcras7

I think most people would have been fine if it was only his dunking attributes taking a hit, but all but the 1-7-15 roster had him taking a major decrease in a multitude of attributes, if this was the beginning of the season I would say fine, but really now it makes no sense.

Nobody has yet to post any specific attributes in their examples, the only thing that got mentioned is dunk rating. Rose's jumper has been garb, assists and steals are at an all-time low, but he is supposed to be going up cuz 5 games cancel out the first 25 apparently