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Quote: Originally Posted by MoneyOvaHuds

Again Rose chose not to display his athleticism in the same way Russ has

Similarly, I also choose not to display my athleticism in the same was Russ has.

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Rose beat out Russ in max vert and speed and land ability I believe too . Go check on draft express and compare

You seem to be basing your opinion entirely off ancient combine results (rather than visuals, NBA game data, etc). Patrick Beverley does remind me a lot of Spencer Hawes athletically so I can see where you are coming from here.

[SpeedyClaxton]

Draft combine isn't really measurement for athleticism because it happened a long time ago, some players improved, some declined over time. For example on last year draft combine Larry Nance Jr. had 40 inch vertical but you would never tell that, most of people would choose Winslow, Cauley-Stein or someone else as better athletes, only way to determine who's better athlete now Rose or Westbrook is to get them to training facility and test them together, which will happen never so we are stuck on what we see on NBA games unfortunately.

[TalenT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

1. What does that have to do with his dunk rating? It's like saying Kobe and Vince should still have 90 dunk. 2. Rose BEFORE his surgeries was nowhere near the dunker Westbrook/Wall/etc are.

You smokin' dope!

[MoneyOvaHuds]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpeedyClaxton

Draft combine isn't really measurement for athleticism because it happened a long time ago, some players improved, some declined over time. For example on last year draft combine Larry Nance Jr. had 40 inch vertical but you would never tell that, most of people would choose Winslow, Cauley-Stein or someone else as better athletes, only way to determine who's better athlete now Rose or Westbrook is to get them to training facility and test them together, which will happen never so we are stuck on what we see on NBA games unfortunately.

I wasn't basing it off now tho so it was a fair assessment at the time . The argument was based off pre injury so that's the accurate info we have available to us .

And you could tell Nance is an athlete because he did a lot of athletic dunks in college and Stein was very well documented and tested at the combine to be very quick for a 7 footer who I think played CB in high school .

Athletically 5 years ago Rose and Russ on par , now It's not question Russ Is the better athlete

[dnyce87]

To rashidi and everyone else who is downplaying roses dunking ability BEFORE INJURIES: We are not arguing how many freaking times rose has dunked in a season, over his career, or how many poster dunks he has.

We are simply stating a fact that stats DO NOT show and often mislead people. Derrick Rose BEFORE his injuries was clear to see he was a FREAK of nature athletically LIKE westbrook LIKE wall. No one is saying he was better dunker, better poster jammer, or more dunks than westbrook and wall.

This all started because rashidi said Rose was "NOWHERE NEAR" the dunker Wall and westbrook are. All those videos that were shown proves he is in the same class as westbrook and wall when it comes to dunking ability alone. No stats, no records, NOTHING ELSE.

The present Derrick Rose is out of the conversation and deserves to have his dunk rating and tendency lowered. No argument there.

Hope this clears things up have a nice day.

[MoneyOvaHuds]

Quote: Originally Posted by Rashidi

Similarly, I also choose not to display my athleticism in the same was Russ has. You seem to be basing your opinion entirely off ancient combine results (rather than visuals, NBA game data, etc). Patrick Beverley does remind me a lot of Spencer Hawes athletically so I can see where you are coming from here.

You're very ignorant lol , Players in the NBA can be athletic but choose not to surround their game strictly on that. Rose has always had very good stop and go speed knowing the right time to display of similar to a RB .


And no I'm displaying some of my opinion on documented data when comparing to players physical ability when both played around the same time in the league . Obviously not now because Russ is the better Athlete . Both players 5 years ago were the two of the most athletic PGs the league have seen and were the new breed .

[SpeedyClaxton]

well for me that dunk over Dragic Rose done is one of better dunks i've seen

[dnyce87]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpeedyClaxton

well for me that dunk over Dragic Rose done is one of better dunks i've seen

That was just disgusting and in mark jacksons words "Disregard to human life" lol