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[Hornetz]

Quote: Originally Posted by CookNBA03

I agree that numbers don't lie and they never do. How is Draymond's stats not considered All-Star numbers but Blake is because he scores more? Draymond isn't the scoring type but he'll still get buckets and do everything else, his playmaking and defensive abilities make up that rating.

That is the perfect question and I have your answer. Draymond Green is not comparable to the likes of Blake Griffin because of the margins and discrepancies of his statistics. Like I said if 0.5 steal, 0.7 block, 1 rebound is a large enough margin more while the points/gm, usage is obviously lacking then there you have it. The players are not equal. They should not have equal ratings.

Rajon Rondo can pass the ball as well as he would like but until he has points like Curry, or Paul, or Lillard, or any points then he will not be considered all-star, just a great passer. Draymond Green is no all-star, just all-around. I say that statement unsure though because of the wack Hawks players that were in the all-star game last season.

EDIT: I forgot to mention Rajon Rondo's lockdown defense of course.

[QNo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hornetz

The numbers don't lie and that is my argument. I have evaluated the statistics (and agreed) that Draymond is a terrific passer, and defender and obviously "all-around." That being said and you take a player like Draymond and compare him to Blake Griffin who's averaging, you know, all-star numbers and Draymond's 0.5 more in steals, 0.7 more in blocking, 1 more rebound/gm far less points/gm, far less usage (which I could leave out due to Curry, Thompson, etc. but I will not because all stats matter right?) If what I just said equals those two players being the same rating then I believe the ratings to be just but I do not.

Read CookNBA03's post again. Read some of the recent articles on him. Read introductions to advanced stats and stop relying on counting stats for your arguments. This is not the 80s, we have much better tools of evaluating players and teams today. At the very least, watch some videos on him, I think BBallbreakdown did one a few days ago.

[Hornetz]

Quote: Originally Posted by QNo

Read CookNBA03's post again. Read some of the recent articles on him. Read introductions to advanced stats and stop relying on counting stats for your arguments. This is not the 80s, we have much better tools of evaluating players and teams today. At the very least, watch some videos on him, I think BBallbreakdown did one a few days ago.

I read his post, he asked how the difference in numbers considered Blake Griffin an on all-star level (in my opinion) and Draymond's are not, which I explained. You actually have no point or argument with your post than to weakly critique me, as if I do not know basketball? "This is not the 80s" I have put up great counter-arguments to make my point while you pull out statements such as..... You deserve no more of my time.

[dom5552]

I'm confused how Demarcus Cousins is averaging almost 10-12 more points than Draymond, 3-5 more rebounds and he's rated lower. I get that assist to turnover ratio is different but still.. When you win in franchise, Cousins only gets 17-18 ppg and 9 rebounds. I don't understand that

[Don Jon]

Quote: Originally Posted by dom5552

I'm confused how Demarcus Cousins is averaging almost 10-12 more points than Draymond, 3-5 more rebounds and he's rated lower. I get that assist to turnover ratio is different but still.. When you win in franchise, Cousins only gets 17-18 ppg and 9 rebounds. I don't understand that

100% Tendencies. 2k rarely updates these. I edited Demarcus to shoot more threes and pass less and now he puts up 25 and 12

[Kodii Rockets]

Quote: Originally Posted by DBMcGee3

They dropped his rebounding yesterday, despite a slight increase in rebounding #s, they drop his shot IQ, despite him shooting the best he has all year. And again, if you watched him play, he's been the quickest and most explosive all year the past 5 games, but suddenly completely loses the ability to dunk in 1 day? I'm not saying he should be an 85 overnight, but there's zero reason for him to be falling right now.

As a diehard Bulls fan who's made note that Derrick Rose hasn't dunked a basketball in game since game 1 of the Bucks series last playoffs.

I have a hard time understanding why you guys have a problem with his dunk rating dropping. He's just not that guy anymore, if anything, the 40 point decrease is long overdue.

I agree his lateral quickness/first step is looking similar to old DRose, but as far as the dunking, explosive, crazy athletic DRose? That ship has sailed.

I don't remember a time when he's had less than 4 turnovers per game, and his ball handling just isn't there, don't know what the problem is with that, but it's not. So the decrease in ball control is also justifiable.

[CookNBA03]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hornetz

That is the perfect question and I have your answer. Draymond Green is not comparable to the likes of Blake Griffin because of the margins and discrepancies of his statistics. Like I said if 0.5 steal, 0.7 block, 1 rebound is a large enough margin more while the points/gm, usage is obviously lacking then there you have it. The players are not equal. They should not have equal ratings. Rajon Rondo can pass the ball as well as he would like but until he has points like Curry, or Paul, or Lillard, or any points then he will not be considered all-star, just a great passer. Draymond Green is no all-star, just all-around. I say that statement unsure though because of the wack Hawks players that were in the all-star game last season. EDIT: I forgot to mention Rajon Rondo's lockdown defense of course.

You're forgetting to look at the advanced stats between the two as well, Draymond is beating him in just about every category there. Rondo can pass and he can play defense but he isn't even remotely close to how good offensively the other guards are. Atlanta players deserved to be there last year, they were killing it. If they we're able to duplicate their play from the RS to the PS, they would've taken Cleveland 6-7 games(even though they were without 2 of their 3 best players).

[QNo]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hornetz

I read his post, he asked how the difference in numbers considered Blake Griffin an on all-star level (in my opinion) and Draymond's are not, which I explained. You actually have no point or argument with your post than to weakly critique me, as if I do not know basketball? "This is not the 80s" I have put up great counter-arguments to make my point while you pull out statements such as..... You deserve no more of my time.

You're missing that Draymond's stats are much better than Blakes because you only look at points etc. Look at this data again - Draymond is a much better defender and passer, a better offensive rebounder, has a higher eFG% and TS% (whereas you only mentioned FG%). Most importantly, he makes his team a lot better, exemplified by his unbelievable Net Rating. Even if Dray's blocks and steals are not THAT much higher, his presence on the floor makes a way bigger difference on how his team defends than Blake's presence does for his. He is the main reason that the Warriors can run the switching scheme that they run and that the best lineup in NBA history, the Death Lineup, is so incredibly effective.

The only thing Blake is better at is scoring, but even so, the Warriors score 8 points per possession more when Draymond is on the floor than the Clippers do when Blake is on the floor.

Blake is a terrific player, but not as good in the regular season as he is when he's playing at his best. In a fantasy draft, Blake would always get drafted over Draymond, but Draymond's been having a better regular season than Blake. Look at how well the Clippers have been playing now that Blake is injured.