PES 2016 and the Idea of Unmitigated Joy

[dubcity]

Gameplay is king. I would rather play PES with fake teams and fake players in exhibition matches than FIFA with all the Prem league teams and stadiums. The gameplay is just fun and dynamic. Even Master League is a joy, with its issues.

[TimmyShagpile]

I've always said that FIFA is better online while PES is better offline. The thing that bugged me about FIFA was that teams had no identity. Every side played like Barcelona and any attempted balls over the top were miracles. In PES, I know when I'm playing Barca and I know when I'm playing Stoke. I'll barely touch the ball vs Barca while Stoke will stick to their route one football.

[RonMexico1992]

Quote: Originally Posted by stocksy

For years I have not understood the love the PES gets. As a football fan since a young boy and Both a player and a spectator of live football PES is lacking in both consistency on the pitch and depth and realism of modes off the pitch. Every year I go into it with new hope trying to find and see what I see people say about the series but I'm always disappointed. The game play is the complete opposite to what is said above, the lack of licenses means that unless you are playing exhibitions the fact players "play differently" is pointless. There is no way to replicate the beauty of Stoke Vs Sunderland on a rainy Tuesday. The fact that there is no realistic manager mode that mirrors taking a team in a real league through season after season as it would happen in real life also kills it. How players can over look this I will never know. It's like having a NBA game with no draft system and no divisions. If NBA live shipped without a draft system and two leagues with promotion and relegation and no NBA finals it would be hammered on here yet PES redesigns football the way it works and how it would be the manage a club and it Barely gets mentioned!

Lol Ok.

You're talking about nothing on the pitch? By far and away PES is the best football sim on the field. The midfield play and passing is a thing of beauty. The physicality of the game etc.

Pretty sure I have Stoke & Sunderland on my game? A rainy tuesday? What is that a league cup match because the Premier league doesn't have games on Tuesday?

[RonMexico1992]

Quote: Originally Posted by TimmyShagpile

I've always said that FIFA is better online while PES is better offline. The thing that bugged me about FIFA was that teams had no identity. Every side played like Barcelona and any attempted balls over the top were miracles. In PES, I know when I'm playing Barca and I know when I'm playing Stoke. I'll barely touch the ball vs Barca while Stoke will stick to their route one football.

EXACTLY. FIFA dominates online. I love FUT and think PES online is a joke. But if you LOVE offline, Career/Master League, PES blows FIFA out in the same exact way FIFA's online crushes PES's online.

[RonMexico1992]

Quote: Originally Posted by stocksy

The exclusive licenses have little to do with it. The fact there isn't a mode that allows you to mirror real life. Almost all sports games with or without licenses at least at attempt to give you the chance to play a mode that mirrors the day to day of being a team/franchise.

Lol what are you talking about? Master League?

PES fans rave over PES because we LOVE THE GAMEPLAY ON THE FIELD, not whatever nerd bs you're ranting about. Everything you're talking about is off the field?

I've played FIFA Career's with over 3 seasons put in each edition in past 3 years on each game. I have set of sliders with over 27k views. Div 3 on FUT. I have over 5,000 followers on twitch from only streaming FIFA. So what is this mode you talk about that PES doesn't have? Because Career mirrors real life in almost the exact same way PES does. FIFA just has a few more leagues? Thats it?

And ANYTHING fifa has, I can add to PES. I have PC, I have MLS, Bundesliga, J-League, 2. Bundesliga, Liga MX. I have 1000s of extra faces by the community. I have extra kits by the community. I have 70 stadiums, not all crammed into one league the Premier league like FIFA gives you, then you have 20 stadiums left for the other 30 leagues in the game? Lol

& No matter what you say, SUNDERLAND & STOKE will NEVER look like Sunderland & Stoke on FIFA because on FIFA, teams don't play like their real life counterparts. & that is a FACT. If you actually knew football, you would know the teams play nothing like their real life counterparts, and almost all the teams play exactly the same way, every game.

In PES we have the ability to make EVERY team play almost identical to their real life counterpart. So what is this realism you speak of in FIFA? Because as a SIM gamers, the most important part of a sim is the action on the field? PES has won.

I guess realism is FIFA sliders where you universally make every team have the same line and play the same way. Ok.

FIFA on the field is stale. The end.

PS: I love Stoke's Britannia Stadium, I use it for the team I'm managing in PES currently FC Twente.

[stocksy]

Why does everyone make this conversations about PES or FIFA about each other.

My orignal post doesn't mention FIFA.

It's all about PES.

"A rainy Tuesday night in Stoke" is a famous quote. Often used to judge the quality of a player... For example - "yeah he can score 60 goals in 40 games in la liga but can he do it on a rainy Tuesday night in Stoke" pundits use it, fans in pubs use it.... I was using it to highlight the fact that people keep saying "Barca play like Barca in PES" but for me the lesser teams don't play like lesser teams they still play like a team with worse stats.

I am a avid watcher of the Premier league and the beauty of that league is that is not predictable. Even if the top four has become a little predictable come the end of the season everything else is very hard to predict.

FIFAs shortcomings have nothing to do with PES.

My issue with lack of depth of modes/realism/licenses and options off the pitch is only part of the issue. The fact that it no way replicates football like many claim is.

It's cool. I think if others enjoy it. Superb. I enjoy plenty of games that others hate. I even liked last years NHL.

My point still stands the "teams play really different" thing I don't think gets anywhere near real life.

One season exhibition modes don't do it for me. I like to pick a team and manage them like I would in real life (badly mostly) that Pompey back to the glory days... Signing over priced players that refuse to leave....

[Ettnollbajen]

Quote: Originally Posted by RonMexico1992

Lol what are you talking about? Master League? PES fans rave over PES because we LOVE THE GAMEPLAY ON THE FIELD, not whatever nerd bs you're ranting about. Everything you're talking about is off the field? I've played FIFA Career's with over 3 seasons put in each edition in past 3 years on each game. I have set of sliders with over 27k views. Div 3 on FUT. I have over 5,000 followers on twitch from only streaming FIFA. So what is this mode you talk about that PES doesn't have? Because Career mirrors real life in almost the exact same way PES does. FIFA just has a few more leagues? Thats it? And ANYTHING fifa has, I can add to PES. I have PC, I have MLS, Bundesliga, J-League, 2. Bundesliga, Liga MX. I have 1000s of extra faces by the community. I have extra kits by the community. I have 70 stadiums, not all crammed into one league the Premier league like FIFA gives you, then you have 20 stadiums left for the other 30 leagues in the game? Lol & No matter what you say, SUNDERLAND & STOKE will NEVER look like Sunderland & Stoke on FIFA because on FIFA, teams don't play like their real life counterparts. & that is a FACT. If you actually knew football, you would know the teams play nothing like their real life counterparts, and almost all the teams play exactly the same way, every game. In PES we have the ability to make EVERY team play almost identical to their real life counterpart. So what is this realism you speak of in FIFA? Because as a SIM gamers, the most important part of a sim is the action on the field? PES has won. I guess realism is FIFA sliders where you universally make every team have the same line and play the same way. Ok. FIFA on the field is stale. The end. PS: I love Stoke's Britannia Stadium, I use it for the team I'm managing in PES currently FC Twente.

I respect your knowledge and and understanding of the game,and you know that.
But if your stuck with a console,there's nothing to cheer about anymore.
Great gameplay,better than FIFA,absolutely.
Playing a long career without the ability to import stadiums,not even kits or badges,well that kills it for me.
My first Pes on Xbox was 13, you could create stadiums,now I'm stuck with nine.
Yeah,nine stadiums.
In my opinion,that's just laughable,doesn't really feel that Konami cares or knows

But again,the individual settings,the depth,the gameplay,everything else,but my complaints,fantastic.
Sometimes a game needs more,especially if your on a console and can't import one little thing.
If I'd play on PC like you,I'd feel he same way as you.
But I'm not.
Wish i felt for this game,the way I felt for it between 5-13.

[RonMexico1992]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ettnollbajen

I respect your knowledge and and understanding of the game,and you know that. But if your stuck with a console,there's nothing to cheer about anymore. Great gameplay,better than FIFA,absolutely. Playing a long career without the ability to import stadiums,not even kits or badges,well that kills it for me. My first Pes on Xbox was 13, you could create stadiums,now I'm stuck with nine. Yeah,nine stadiums. In my opinion,that's just laughable,doesn't really feel that Konami cares or knows But again,the individual settings,the depth,the gameplay,everything else,but my complaints,fantastic. Sometimes a game needs more,especially if your on a console and can't import one little thing. If I'd play on PC like you,I'd feel he same way as you. But I'm not. Wish i felt for this game,the way I felt for it between 5-13.

game blows on console mate. I will admit.