NBA 2K16 Player Ratings - Top 10 Players

[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by jspeed04

I think Steph is a fantastic ball player. Great shooter, has incredible instinct, and is great passer. But there's no way that he's only a notch under LeBron, let alone *better* than KD. There are two sides of the ball in basketball. Curry is elite level on one side, and is able to be hidden by his team's all-time great perimeter, and interior defenders on the other side. LeBron is an elite offensive player, and a better than average defensive player. Is he as good of a shooter as Steph? Absolutely not. But he's one of the games best finishers, best scorers, best passers, playmakers, decision makers and foul drawers. Not to mention that he has clout around the league. Could it and should it be argued that Steph is a 90? Sure. But historically, LeBron is one of the all time greats. And since the ratings are based off of all time greats(there are only 2 other SF in history as good as LeBron: Pippen, Bird and perhaps one day KD) then LeBron should be higher than, or have a greater gulf between he and other players. Not a fan of recency bias. Old curmudgeon out.

And honestly LeBron is ahead of Pippen by a pretty large gap IMO, not just 1 or 2 points.

But that's a whole separate topic we don't need to really delve into.


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[ojandpizza]

Everybody praising Curry for his first year of solid defense.. Doesn't matter at all that his team was the best defensive team in the league, that couldn't possibly make Curry appear better than what he actually is... Smh


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[cbpo]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Everybody praising Curry for his first year of solid defense.. Doesn't matter at all that his team was the best defensive team in the league, that couldn't possibly make Curry appear better than what he actually is... Smh Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He was apart of the reason they were the best defensive team. Yes bogut/draymond etc are monsters on D but Curry played Very good Off the Ball D and Help D.
He led all PG's in DRPM which takes into account teammates, opponents etc thus it isn't aided by how good his teammates were and he was still first. His on Ball D is definitely average but that makes up only a portion of D, follow curry off-ball and he's always making the right rotations and working extra hard to deny his guy the ball.
Meanwhile, you take someone like Melo who had a very negative DRPM

[ojandpizza]

Team defense definitely impacts DRPM though.

And I'm not claiming Melo to be a good defender, just think Steph has been massively overrated on that end after last season.

He wasn't on either all defensive team, is likely isn't ever going to be, so people should really stop acting like he's at that level.


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[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Everybody praising Curry for his first year of solid defense.. Doesn't matter at all that his team was the best defensive team in the league, that couldn't possibly make Curry appear better than what he actually is... Smh Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Curry played solid defense. He played smart, aggressive and worked in the team scheme. It shows up in the eye test and advanced metrics. No he's not an elite defender but it was average to above average.

It's not like Westbrook who plays aesthetic looking defense by gambling but is still a net negative for years while playing with a good defensive team. Obviously playing with other good defenders doesn't automatically make you look better than you are. Being athletic and active to negative results does seem to however.

[Equinox831]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Team defense definitely impacts DRPM though. And I'm not claiming Melo to be a good defender, just think Steph has been massively overrated on that end after last season. He wasn't on either all defensive team, is likely isn't ever going to be, so people should really stop acting like he's at that level. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Steph is definitely not a very good defender. He fits in to the Warriors defensive scheme well, but a fully healthy Kyrie would've gotten around Curry at will in the Finals. It was the help defense, especially Bogut and Green, that helped Curry a ton last year.

You do have to give him some credit though. He went from being piss poor on the defensive end to at least serviceable.

[CaliDude916]

Good list for the most part. My biggest issue is Cousins not being on this list. Not sure how Aldridge and Griffin are rated higher than him, it really doesn't make sense to me. Best Center in the league and he's only an 87, but I believe he needs to be in the 90's. Put him up there with AD. His and AD's stats are EXTREMELY close. His PER is higher than Carmelo, Griffin, and Aldridge, all of which are rated higher than him. I don't understand why he gets disrespected, it's absolutely mind boggling.

[cbpo]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Team defense definitely impacts DRPM though. And I'm not claiming Melo to be a good defender, just think Steph has been massively overrated on that end after last season. He wasn't on either all defensive team, is likely isn't ever going to be, so people should really stop acting like he's at that level. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The purpose of DRPM is to eliminate the team affecting an individual's defensive box +/-. Regular Defense box plus/minus is affected by who is on the court with you etc. DRPM isn't, it was made to adjust for teammates on court/opponents/coach and a bunch of other crap to see the real value of someone defensively.
I never claimed he was an elite defender lol because hes not and nor will he ever be on a defensive team but his overall Defense last year was solid and easily above average.

Me mentioning melo was aimed at other guy saying melo was better than curry defensively.

But overall taking into account both ends of court these ratings at least for top 5 are accurate IMO.
I would expect over the course of the season for Durant to return to form, and Davis to improve and both of them eclipsing Curry. Also hard to imagine Curry having another season like last year, his efficiency was insane.