NBA 2K16 Player Ratings For the Top Players on Each Team

[Chocolate Chip]

Quote: Originally Posted by DTHEGAWD

LeBron had one of the highest Player Efficiency Ratings of All-Time literally trailing only Jordan and Wilt Chamberlain. He accumulated over 20 win shares, had one of the best seasons ever in terms of net rating and box plus minus. LeBron was the best crunch time player in the league that season as well. Those basic per game stats don't tell the story. Wade a better defender than LeBron based on what? Wade was never a better defender than LeBron. It was not chasedown block hype it was legitimately one of the most impactful defensive seasons by a wing ever. The Cavaliers were nearly 9 points worse without him on the court on defense. He excelled in every area of defense and was DPoY runner up and First Team All-Defense for a reason. LeBron was the best wing defender in the league and had one of the finest defensive seasons ever. LeBron's team won 66 games ridiculous given that supporting cast while Wade's was a .500 team. LeBron also averaged 35/9/7 in the playoffs.

Iggy was the best defender that year.. the perimeter players rarely had a good game against him

[DTHEGAWD]

Quote: Originally Posted by SaruAqua

That's your opinion. I already provided a full length reasoning as to why Wade was better in the 8th or 9th page to some Kobe fan so I'm not going to say it again. IMO, Wade was the slightly better slasher, much better on ball/help/recovery defender, had a better postgame, much better footwork, better mid-range shot, higher I.Q and more clutch. LeBron was the better rebounder based off height and was an equal playmaker. The '08-'10 Cavs were far from great but there are two reasons why I don't buy that they were all time bad: 1. The Spurs beat the Cavs in the '07 Finals by an average margin of just 6 ppg with LeBron playing poorly (19-53 in last two games despite Spurs' winning by a combined 4 points). The Cavs' defense held Duncan to 18 ppg on 44%FG but had no answer for Parker 2. The Cavs' pushed the Celtics to a decisive G7 in the '08 ECSF despite LeBron shooting 25.6%FG through the first six games (8-42 in first two games). "Had no help though".

1. Wade was never a better defender than James, there is significant statistical evidence to support this. It seems like you just look at steals and blocks, every defensive tracking stat from Synergy pretty much has James as the superior defender for years now. dRtg and dWs as well as on/off defense numbers paint the same picture. LeBron has always been a better on-ball defender, more versatile being able to guard more positions, being an absolute nightmare at times on transition defense, and being better at recoveries and help defense as well as hedging and defensive rebounding and box outs.

2. James was a better slasher, he shot 72% at the rim while Wade shot 66% at the rim both took over 650 attempts the basket in '06 and '07.

He did have a better midrange game and post game but IQ how so? They weren't equal playmakers either, LeBron is the best non-passing PG ever next to Bird, Pippen, Hill, Pressey and Theus. Wade is a fine playmaker but it really goes beyond simple assists numbers.

3. James was a better crunch time scorer and player than Wade period again statistical fact go on 82games.com they have their 4Q numbers going back to the '04 season.

I don't think you watched the '07 Finals or seem to understand how tough the circumstances were in that series and the fact that the '07 Cavaliers are the worst team to make the Finals. I don't consider that team classic and don't even think they should be in the game. Also, 6 points per game isn't a low margin of victory.

[BluFu]

Quote: Originally Posted by DTHEGAWD

How is second three peat Jordan higher rated than first three peat Jordan? '07 LeBron Is not better than current LeBron and deserves a low 90's rating, '13 LeBron probably deserves a bit of a higher rating that's better than any Magic season and he got a 97 at his best. Payton a 92 really don't see how he's better than present day Paul or how he's in the same echelon as Curry. '03 Dirk only an 85? He was very agile, could handle the ball actually going coast to coast, could pass, was close to a double digit rebounder, was a G.O.A.T. level shooter and underrated defender. Dude was as good as Griffin and Aldridge who are 88's. Dumars ahead of Isiah? Pierce a 91? '08 T-Mac overrated with damn near a 90 overall.

Agree with all this except maybe Payton

[DTHEGAWD]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chocolate Chip

Iggy was the best defender that year.. the perimeter players rarely had a good game against him

He wasn't better than James that year...

People don't realize that LeBron being off the court meant the Cavs went from the best defense in the league to like the 19th...

[SaruAqua]

Quote: Originally Posted by DTHEGAWD

1. Wade was never a better defender than James, there is significant statistical evidence to support this. It seems like you just look at steals and blocks, every defensive tracking stat from Synergy pretty much has James as the superior defender for years now. dRtg and dWs as well as on/off defense numbers paint the same picture. LeBron has always been a better on-ball defender, more versatile being able to guard more positions, being an absolute nightmare at times on transition defense, and being better at recoveries and help defense as well as hedging and defensive rebounding and box outs. 2. James was a better slasher, he shot 72% at the rim while Wade shot 66% at the rim both took over 650 attempts the basket in '06 and '07. He did have a better midrange game and post game but IQ how so? They weren't equal playmakers either, LeBron is the best non-passing PG ever next to Bird, Pippen, Hill, Pressey and Theus. Wade is a fine playmaker but it really goes beyond simple assists numbers. 3. James was a better crunch time scorer and player than Wade period again statistical fact go on 82games.com they have their 4Q numbers going back to the '04 season. I don't think you watched the '07 Finals or seem to understand how tough the circumstances were in that series and the fact that the '07 Cavaliers are the worst team to make the Finals. I don't consider that team classic and don't even think they should be in the game. Also, 6 points per game isn't a low margin of victory.

Going back to you using PER in your previous post, that's not a reliable stat. Wade has the highest PER in Finals history yet I don't think it's the best Finals performance of all time. PER has Chris Paul and Bob Pettit as two top 10 all time players. All hail Pettit > Kobe/Magic/Bird/KG/Duncan. Next.


Defensive Win Shares is also unreliable. It has DeAndre Jordan as the league's best defender this past season and Carlos Boozer as a top tier defender in 2013-14, LMFAOOOO. Next.


So what if James shot 6% more than Wade in '06/'07? You brought no context such as LeBron just bulldozing his way to the rim while Wade had a more slithery attack. Explains what happened in the P/O when the paint got shutdown. Next.


LeBron was a better passer than Wade because he's a non PG? Gotcha.


So you actually think that LeBron was a better defender than Wade from '04-'07 because of precious meaningless stats? ROOOFL, I think we're done here.

[SaruAqua]

Bron-Bron had NO help:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=374296

[DTHEGAWD]

Quote: Originally Posted by SaruAqua

Going back to you using PER in your previous post, that's not a reliable stat. Wade has the highest PER in Finals history yet I don't think it's the best Finals performance of all time. PER has Chris Paul and Bob Pettit as two top 10 all time players. All hail Pettit > Kobe/Magic/Bird/KG/Duncan. Next. Defensive Win Shares is also unreliable. It has DeAndre Jordan as the league's best defender this past season and Carlos Boozer as a top tier defender in 2013-14, LMFAOOOO. Next. So what if James shot 6% more than Wade in '06/'07? You brought no context such as LeBron just bulldozing his way to the rim while Wade had a more slithery attack. Explains what happened in the P/O when the paint got shutdown. Next. LeBron was a better passer than Wade because he's a non PG? Gotcha. So you actually think that LeBron was a better defender than Wade from '04-'07 because of precious meaningless stats? ROOOFL, I think we're done here.

Yeah we're done you have an extreme bias for Wade and have no context of these numbers.

Wade's 06 Finals was one of the most dominant of All-Time with an actual case for number one and PER reflects that the same way it reflects that guys like Jordan, Chamberlain, O'Neal, Paul, etc. are some of the most productive and efficient players ever. Wade's '06 Finals gets knocked on again because of the horrible officiating that led to many phantom calls and FT's for Wade at near record setting pace.

Also, your going against things that shouldn't even be disputed like LeBron being a better defender than Wade in '09 and overall for their entire careers. Nitpick dWs which is a solid stat when used in context and when you have understanding of it but ignore defensive tracking Synergy numbers and on/off numbers that clearly have LeBron as the most dominant wing defender in the league that year.

6% is significant and it wasn't a product just bulldozing lmaoo.

LeBron is a better passer and playmaker period again not really arguable I have never seen anyone with credibility say Wade and LeBron are the same as passers.

[DTHEGAWD]

Quote: Originally Posted by SaruAqua

Bron-Bron had NO help: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=374296

You wrote that garbage lol? If you think LeBron's supporting casts in Cleveland were up to par to any other actual title team in NBA history you're delusional. I can't even begin to address this lmao, when LeBron left the court those teams fell apart. Those teams were fueled by three point shooting, defense and LeBron.

The Cavs in '09 and '10 were solid teams the ones before that were terrible especially '07. Lmao at LeBron's defense being overrated because Pierce one of the best SF's ever dropped 40 points on him, you do realize Pierce shoots below 40% in his career against LeBron right?