FIFA 16 Demo Available Now For Xbox One, Xbox 360, PS4, PS3, PC

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by dcar87

Doesn't seem to be faster to me... http://youtu.be/YPMhjklQiCw Enviado desde mi iPad utilizando Tapatalk

Yeah, that looked fine actually.

Honestly, the biggest difference between FIFA 15 and 16 is very simple.

DEFENSE.

There is no man marking, no more Attention Deficit Defending (ADD) and the defensive line act the same way the midfield does, without giving their positions away. They join in the attack, and they pass the ball around through the back to reset.

If that is in the final version of 16, then we are set. Everything else can be calibrated accordingly.

[TeleTex82]

Quote: Originally Posted by Matt10

Yeah, that looked fine actually. Honestly, the biggest difference between FIFA 15 and 16 is very simple. DEFENSE. There is no man marking, no more Attention Deficit Defending (ADD) and the defensive line act the same way the midfield does, without giving their positions away. They join in the attack, and they pass the ball around through the back to reset. If that is in the final version of 16, then we are set. Everything else can be calibrated accordingly.

That video is of a PvP game. Totally different animal than CM fifa.

[Krebstar]

I can't wait for the full release to hear everyone talking about how they sped the game up, even if they didn't. The fact that there's musing and worry about it now has already doomed many into swearing the final code is ruined before they even play it.

The annual FIFA placebo—seeing things that aren't there, swearing gameplay was patched when it wasn't, and already deciding something will be changed before it has been.

Keep calm folks, keep calm.

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by TeleTex82

That video is of a PvP game. Totally different animal than CM fifa.

Sure, sure. Like I said it's all about defense. If that is intact, we can calibrate. That's all that matters, and if FIFA 15 had what I mentioned fixed - it would have been a stellar game.

Quote: Originally Posted by Krebstar

I can't wait for the full release to hear everyone talking about how they sped the game up, even if they didn't. The fact that there's musing and worry about it now has already doomed many into swearing the final code is ruined before they even play it. The annual FIFA placebo—seeing things that aren't there, swearing gameplay was patched when it wasn't, and already deciding something will be changed before it has been. Keep calm folks, keep calm.

Agreed, you have to start accepting what you see and draw your own conclusions at this point. I've watched a lot of FIFA 16 footage within the last 24 hours than I should. The consistency of the defense is there, and that's all I am concerned about to establish a base of where to dissect the game.

[TeleTex82]

I guess at this point I'm kind of tired of waiting to see if things can be calibrated. Despite the improvements, that old familiar feeling of never being quite in control of your actions on the pitch remains. Even with all manual controllers, there is still the feeling that fifa is just filling quotas before the end of the game. A certain number of fouls, a certain number of missed chances, a certain number of crossbars hit, a certain amount of time between goals. It's like constantly being led by the hand.

My brother and I, both ardent fifa players since the days of the Sega Genesis, have independently decided to opt for PES this year. At least until he community has had plenty of time to work with fifa. He put it in a way I had never thought to express it. PES is like playing an open-world sandbox game vs an old school linear platformer. In PES you are rewarded for your creativity, rewarded for putting the time in and actually learning to use the all manual controls. You are presented with challenges that you have to adapt to, and that in turn, adapt to you. For the past couple of years fifa has become predictable and redundant. Just going from point A to point B. This year has made some improvements, no doubt, but are they enough? If I'm in the 3 season of my CM will I be rewarded every game with a different experience? I'm not seeing that from the demo, but I remain somewhat hopeful.

On top of everything else, one can't ignore the incredibly corrupt nature of Fifa the organization. The thousands of migrant deaths that have resulted from the building of stadiums in Qatar for a bought World Cup. EA has a dodgy history of its own in terms of employee treatment and standards and practices. At some point you have to question whether the subpar game is worth it.

[RoyceDa59]

Quote: Originally Posted by Krebstar

I can't wait for the full release to hear everyone talking about how they sped the game up, even if they didn't. The fact that there's musing and worry about it now has already doomed many into swearing the final code is ruined before they even play it. The annual FIFA placebo—seeing things that aren't there, swearing gameplay was patched when it wasn't, and already deciding something will be changed before it has been. Keep calm folks, keep calm.

Honestly still plan on taking a plunge and buying it regardless because I am curious to see what can be done on the tactical side of things in this years version because they seem to actually work. And honestly if they touch the normal setting speed of the game I am fine as long as the Slow setting isn't altered as well. Also, the Women's team alone may be enough reason for me to buy the game because the gameplay in that mode is so refreshing. It also shows me that the FIFA dev team has the potential to pull off the players likeness to a great degree as well.

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by TeleTex82

I guess at this point I'm kind of tired of waiting to see if things can be calibrated. Despite the improvements, that old familiar feeling of never being quite in control of your actions on the pitch remains. Even with all manual controllers, there is still the feeling that fifa is just filling quotas before the end of the game. A certain number of fouls, a certain number of missed chances, a certain number of crossbars hit, a certain amount of time between goals. It's like constantly being led by the hand. My brother and I, both ardent fifa players since the days of the Sega Genesis, have independently decided to opt for PES this year. At least until he community has had plenty of time to work with fifa. He put it in a way I had never thought to express it. PES is like playing an open-world sandbox game vs an old school linear platformer. In PES you are rewarded for your creativity, rewarded for putting the time in and actually learning to use the all manual controls. You are presented with challenges that you have to adapt to, and that in turn, adapt to you. For the past couple of years fifa has become predictable and redundant. Just going from point A to point B. This year has made some improvements, no doubt, but are they enough? If I'm in the 3 season of my CM will I be rewarded every game with a different experience? I'm not seeing that from the demo, but I remain somewhat hopeful. On top of everything else, one can't ignore the incredibly corrupt nature of Fifa the organization. The thousands of migrant deaths that have resulted from the building of stadiums in Qatar for a bought World Cup. EA has a dodgy history of its own in terms of employee treatment and standards and practices. At some point you have to question whether the subpar game is worth it.

I agree with your bro to a certain extent, that extent being with how badly broken PES has been for PES 14 and PES 15. I think the nostalgia is fitting to what he says, but the reality is that is not the FIFA or PES that we play anymore. It's now about which one has the less bugs (for me gameplay) and what can be fixed. FIFA is my go to because I can modify it without waiting on a gameplay editor like I've had to do in PES. PES 15 didn't have an editor for the PC, so I wasn't able to globally edit anything. I spent a whole week, non-stop, editing PES 14 with the global editor - with no luck. No matter what the defenders continued to follow those attackers all the way into the box - all the way to the goal-line (and probably out of the stadium if it was possible), it was a joke - and it wasn't the PES that I grew to love. It's funny because PES 13 was such an incredible game, but they completely scrapped it with the new engine.

Eitherway, I digress and don't want to start the elusive PES v FIFA debate. I'm ecstatic to see that FIFA is on the right course, especially of what you can see from the women's game. If they can reach that potential, then surely they can do it for the men - which I believe they have. I mentioned last night, the biggest difference between the two is the aesthetic of that the ball "looks" bigger at the women's feet than it does for the men. This reminded me of when I had edited the calves of each PES player for PES 4, so the ball stood out more and didn't just blend in with their feet. It was a "feel" thing, and that's where FIFA 16 has gotten it right with the women's game, without even trying.

Quote: Originally Posted by RoyceDa59

Honestly still plan on taking a plunge and buying it regardless because I am curious to see what can be done on the tactical side of things in this years version because they seem to actually work. And honestly if they touch the normal setting speed of the game I am fine as long as the Slow setting isn't altered as well. Also, the Women's team alone may be enough reason for me to buy the game because the gameplay in that mode is so refreshing. It also shows me that the FIFA dev team has the potential to pull off the players likeness to a great degree as well.

That's definitely a good point, haven't seen anyone play with the game on slow yet (from the videos I'm researching), so hopefully they don't touch that.

[KG]

Quote: Originally Posted by RoyceDa59

Honestly still plan on taking a plunge and buying it regardless because I am curious to see what can be done on the tactical side of things in this years version because they seem to actually work. And honestly if they touch the normal setting speed of the game I am fine as long as the Slow setting isn't altered as well. Also, the Women's team alone may be enough reason for me to buy the game because the gameplay in that mode is so refreshing. It also shows me that the FIFA dev team has the potential to pull off the players likeness to a great degree as well.

As much fun as the women's game is I need games with purpose (ala CM, BAP, online, etc...) I can't just play friendlies all year.