An In-Depth Look at the Changes to the NBA 2K16 Ratings System

[eko718]

I wonder why having a defined standard by which to rate players bothers some folks here so much. Should they just use the eye test instead? Lmao... Just because there's a standard, doesn't mean that it's completely rigid and excludes all other considerations.

[Skeptikz]

As I mentioned in the other thread I think this new philosophy on ratings is a great idea - and I'm glad to hear that its being implemented the way i thought when I first heard about it....

One important thing to note, when weighing in on the player x should be rated higher than player y, is that (from what I can tell) the ratings are measuring SKILLSET. For example, when looking at the Rodman vs Malone/Chamberlain/Russell or whoever else, if you take into account that Rodman was 3+ inches shorter than everyone else in the conversation and generally undersized for his position surely he must have been the most SKILLED at offensive rebounding because he was at a huge disadvantage off the bat.

So even if Malone has a 98 or even a 95, that doesn't mean he wont be as effective as Rodman in the game.

The same thing can be said about the KD vs Lebron Overall conversation. The one that is 6'11" does not need to be as skilled to be as effective as the one that is 6'8"...

[Bexthelegend]

lol at the people arguing about the Nba defenses being weaker.

People have to realize that the rule changes have caused defenses to be altered not weaker.

Hand checking stopped being allowed, but zones stopped being outlawed. Before the rule chance you had to bring a help defender all the way across, whiles now the help defender is already waiting for you. That's why nearly every team runs players off the 3 point line, gives them the illusion of space, and then collapses on them with a help defender when they penetrate. It's why players get trapped off the pick and roll so easily. It's why drive and kicks are so valuable. It's why The amount of isolations have decreased. The way you beat modern matchup zone defenses is ball movement/pick and rolls. Isolations/post ups are Ineffiencent unless they consistently draw double teams.

Hand checking encourage 1-1 play.. Zones discourage that


It's not a matter of players being worse of better, it's a matter of different skills being needed to attack hand checking vs Zones.

Thibs maxminze the limits of the current rules with the big 3 celtics. And all of the league has adopted it itIf you still don't understand watch this video of the Bulls defense. You barley see anyone go one on one

https://youtube.com/watch?v=uzWRree2YlQ

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Quote: Originally Posted by GSW

Yea, I want to see how this plays out into the physical attributes. Who has the highest vertical? Are we saying that Raptors Vince Carter is the pinnacle? How do you measure speed/quickness/agility/"awareness" etc.. Seems like guess work is taken out of the stats ratings but physical attributes are going to be somewhat biased, no?

I honestly think Clyde Drexler could jump as high as Vince if that was his focus.

I really don't know how you figure that stuff out though.. I just hope speed makes a difference

[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by doublek

Lebron still almost won the Finals without his 2 best players in the team. It's not even close.

Lol. Lebron and the Cavs did not almost win the Finals. Winning a couple of close games to go 1-2 and then getting steamrolled 3-0 isn't anything close to almost winning.

Lebron had an enormously easy path to the Finals. Let's make no mistake-- he was beast. And he was a force though his efficiency was what GSW wanted him to do. But it was somehow both incredible that Lebron could carry such a heavy load AND not that incredible that he was taking that many shots at such low efficiency. It was obvious that Lebron was no longer peak Lebron, but still a force of nature. The argument that Lebron is the best player in the league because of defense no longer holds. I can't actually tell you anything noteworthy he did on defense. He certainly didn't shut down even Iguodala, who was finals MVP. I can understand that he was conserving his energy of offense, but it was a very inefficient offense.

KD could probably do as much damage in the east. I can understand if his 91 rating reflects his injury year however.

[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by 8KB24

that's why there are ratings and tendencies for standing and moving jumpers/3 point shot and kerr would probably have 99 standing and lower moving 3pt shot while i predict curry has 93-95 in both categories and also high tendency to shoot off the dribble while kerr would have high tendency to spot up and almost never shoot off the dribble.

Curry may be better than Kerr at standing 3's. Kerr had an inflated percentage due to two years with a shortened three point line. Curry also takes way more in volume which traditionally affects efficiency.

Up to a few seasons ago, Curry had a better career percentage if you adjusted for the short three point line years, even on much, much higher volume and difficulty-- the focus of opposing defenses, not just playing off ball to Michael Jordan. It might be the case again with Curry climbing back up to 44% this year, after dropping to 40 last season. And it might be partially due to Kerr's coaching instead of Mark Jackson's stagnant sets.

I DO HOPE THE TEAM ACCOUNTS FOR VOLUME VS EFFICIENCY. Just because a player shoots low volume and selects good shots doesn't mean he's better than a player who shoots at a high volume with a slightly lower efficiency.

Curry better have the highest average total 3-point rating across the board with at least one or two all time 99's (off the dribble and maybe moving threes) or I riot.

I also hope the team is not just looking at standing vs moving threes, but also the degree of contest, which should be telling in the case of role players taking open shots vs contested superstars.

[Scramz718]

Quote: Originally Posted by GSW

Yea, I want to see how this plays out into the physical attributes. Who has the highest vertical? Are we saying that Raptors Vince Carter is the pinnacle? How do you measure speed/quickness/agility/"awareness" etc.. Seems like guess work is taken out of the stats ratings but physical attributes are going to be somewhat biased, no?

They redid physical attributes ratings midway through 2k15, they used data from the draft combine to come up with speed, quickness and vertical ratings.

[Trackball]

I've created a monster.

Guys, I've already conceded the point about Rodman.

Here's the proof! http://www.operationsports.com/forum...3&postcount=55