Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trial Available Now on EA Access, Post Your Impressions

[OnlookerDelay]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

Here's the deal. Not baffling at all if you understand NG game design and the decisions being made in this game market today. The RM Tiburon Golf Team is likely smaller than the TW14 Tiburon Team. The budget is likely smaller because they lost their @ss on TW14 commercially. Moving to Frostbite 3 was a resource intensive and expensive move, but one that HAD to be made. The old TW engine was 10 years old and had 9 versions with features added, subtracted, etc. It was held together with baling wire and TW14 had glaring patch issues that EA finally gave up on and walked away from. What have they been doing for 2 years? You would have to ask HANDSWARD, but I doubt he would go into any sort of detail. Since I have had a relationship with EA for the past 15+ years and I have been on the inside of the Golf operation, I will tell you what I think happened. As I stated above, the Frostbite 3 transition did not come overnight. The staff had to be trained and brought up to speed on the new engine as it was unfamiliar to them. Then they began to learn how to build assets like what they had in TW that they wanted to bring over as well as new assets. All new Mo-cap sessions, etc. Rebuilding each course in FB3 and transitioning the laser scans and artwork from each course to the new engine. These guys work 12-14 hour days. They, like many teams at EA are being asked to do more with less. They set out on a plan to deliver a certain amount of content and they either reached that plan or didn't. NG games take up more resources both in time, people and money than ever before and Devs and Publishers are trying their best to do less with more. I believe this is why we are seeing the initial games coming out with less content than their predecessors. I did not in any way think RM would match or even come close to matching the features or courses that TW14 did. In all honesty, I did think they would have brought more content and polish than what we have. However, I am hopeful they will bring forth the kind of support that we are not accustomed to by supporting and updating this game with the content we have been accustomed to. IMO, this game has NONE of the problems from TW. They have similar design decisions, but bugs and issues from Tiger are not there. The lack of a playoff is a design decision that has legal implications as described above. Does TGC have a playoff? Are you chastising them for their Season mode that came out broken on the Xbox causing users not to be able to play it? I like TGC and have over 500 rounds of play invested in it. There are many who claim RM is not a NG title. Just as many say the same about TGC. They are different approaches to the game of Golf. Sorry to draw TGC in here for this discussion, I just had to draw one parallel to compare. At the end of the day, why can't people just accept the fact that opinions about ANYTHING, much less Golf games are SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL. You think EA dropped the ball on RM. That is your opinion and others agree. But I would say its 50/50 on those who like versus don't. I can somewhat understand the exasperation over RM's lack of content and I hope this helps explain what may be going on from someone who has been on the inside and has some perspective on the situation. Hang in there, I think the game has a good foundation and the great thing about FB3, is it is a VERY scalable engine that is light years better than the old TW engine and the best is yet to come IMO.

Well put Tim! This needs to be a Wikipedia entry for Rory McIlroy PGA Tour!!

[kickingguru]

The game for veterans is really just an updated version of 2003. EA went back to the basics that made the game what is was before. It does lack any kind of innovation or creativity. All of the game modes and mechanics are what has been done before. This includes the Night Golf Club as it is just the game mode from an APP that you have been able to play on your phone for a year.

All of this was likely to get back the casual player... They make up the majority of sales. Sim guys and old veterans make up a very small population and do not drive sales into success.

If your a long time player of the series, nothing is new here. Do not expect it. You will even feel it as a regression. Honestly though, it had to be. It is a restart and they need a successful launch. Trying risky innovations could ruin the series.

Anecdotally, a 24 year old coworker who is a heavy madden player picked it up with EA Access. The game to him is fresh, fun, and appealing. He is the definition of the casual gamer they are targeting and the game works for him. That translates to a successful title and sales.

my 2 cents ....

The Guru

[TheBleedingRed21]

Screw impressions, pre-ordered and ready for it on Tuesday, I like to be the judge myself, too many guys rely on others around here (or so it seems)


Worst case, I buy the $50 version on amazon, dislike it, resell for $40 and come out just fine. Best case, I love it as I have every other EA golf game and play both RMPGA and TGC

[pietasterp]

Quote: Originally Posted by kickingguru

Anecdotally, a 24 year old coworker who is a heavy madden player picked it up with EA Access. The game to him is fresh, fun, and appealing. He is the definition of the casual gamer they are targeting and the game works for him. That translates to a successful title and sales.

The question, then, is whether he actually buys the game or not....?

[Golfsprince]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheBleedingRed21

Screw impressions, pre-ordered and ready for it on Tuesday, I like to be the judge myself, too many guys rely on others around here (or so it seems) Worst case, I buy the $50 version on amazon, dislike it, resell for $40 and come out just fine. Best case, I love it as I have every other EA golf game and play both RMPGA and TGC

EXACTLY how I feel man! Punched my ticket to Golfsville

[kickingguru]

Quote: Originally Posted by pietasterp

The question, then, is whether he actually buys the game or not....?

All ready paid for the pre-order today...

[jbd345]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

Here's the deal. Not baffling at all if you understand NG game design and the decisions being made in this game market today. The RM Tiburon Golf Team is likely smaller than the TW14 Tiburon Team. The budget is likely smaller because they lost their @ss on TW14 commercially. Moving to Frostbite 3 was a resource intensive and expensive move, but one that HAD to be made. The old TW engine was 10 years old and had 9 versions with features added, subtracted, etc. It was held together with baling wire and TW14 had glaring patch issues that EA finally gave up on and walked away from. What have they been doing for 2 years? You would have to ask HANDSWARD, but I doubt he would go into any sort of detail. Since I have had a relationship with EA for the past 15+ years and I have been on the inside of the Golf operation, I will tell you what I think happened. As I stated above, the Frostbite 3 transition did not come overnight. The staff had to be trained and brought up to speed on the new engine as it was unfamiliar to them. Then they began to learn how to build assets like what they had in TW that they wanted to bring over as well as new assets. All new Mo-cap sessions, etc. Rebuilding each course in FB3 and transitioning the laser scans and artwork from each course to the new engine. These guys work 12-14 hour days. They, like many teams at EA are being asked to do more with less. They set out on a plan to deliver a certain amount of content and they either reached that plan or didn't. NG games take up more resources both in time, people and money than ever before and Devs and Publishers are trying their best to do less with more. I believe this is why we are seeing the initial games coming out with less content than their predecessors. I did not in any way think RM would match or even come close to matching the features or courses that TW14 did. In all honesty, I did think they would have brought more content and polish than what we have. However, I am hopeful they will bring forth the kind of support that we are not accustomed to by supporting and updating this game with the content we have been accustomed to. IMO, this game has NONE of the problems from TW. They have similar design decisions, but bugs and issues from Tiger are not there. The lack of a playoff is a design decision that has legal implications as described above. Does TGC have a playoff? Are you chastising them for their Season mode that came out broken on the Xbox causing users not to be able to play it? I like TGC and have over 500 rounds of play invested in it. There are many who claim RM is not a NG title. Just as many say the same about TGC. They are different approaches to the game of Golf. Sorry to draw TGC in here for this discussion, I just had to draw one parallel to compare. At the end of the day, why can't people just accept the fact that opinions about ANYTHING, much less Golf games are SUBJECTIVE and PERSONAL. You think EA dropped the ball on RM. That is your opinion and others agree. But I would say its 50/50 on those who like versus don't. I can somewhat understand the exasperation over RM's lack of content and I hope this helps explain what may be going on from someone who has been on the inside and has some perspective on the situation. Hang in there, I think the game has a good foundation and the great thing about FB3, is it is a VERY scalable engine that is light years better than the old TW engine and the best is yet to come IMO.

Post of the year. Well put sir.

[shogunofharlem3]

Anyone else have any issues on the Paracel Storm level where you had a lie in the sand or whatnot with a giant hill in front of you that was impossible to get up over?

I had it happen 3 times (Yes, I spent too much time in the sand) but no matter what angle, shot type, etc, I couldn't get myself out of the predicament.

Maybe that is why that level has a "you have reached the maximum shots allowed" message.

Otherwise, still having fun with it.