Rory McIlroy PGA TOUR Trailer - Golf Without Limits

[brandon27]

Quote: Originally Posted by strawberryshortcake

I guess I would be considered one of the casuals seeing as I have no real interest in golf whatsoever. You know what caught my attention. The magnificent, extremely realistic lighting and the golf ball dropping in the water. Graphically it looks very nice, very enticing. ... But then seeing bright lights at night, someone in a military uniform, the massive ship, and granny swinging her golf clubs, I was like forget this. No way.

Quote: Originally Posted by Chairman7w

Yeah, let's call it what it is guys, that stuff was just stupid. Very disappointed.

It might be stupid, sure. However, you can't make a business decision based on what you, personally think is stupid though. You have to cater to your customers. All of them. Especially when selling in a niche market, when putting out all of the expense you are in licensing authentic courses, golfers, brands/clothing/apparel and equipment. I'm not sure where the disappointment comes from? Because it's in the game? OK, don't play that portion. Problem solved? Should be.


So, the night golf with lights doesn't appeal to you. OK. Great. Don't play the mode. That's the point they're trying to make here with the "Golf without Limits" and "Play your way" catch lines in their videos. You want to play PGA golf. Go for it! You want to play fantasy golf, at night? Go for it! You have the option. That's the important part of all of this.


To actually make money selling this game, with the overhead going into it, you've got to expand your reach when it comes to your client base. Appeal to as many as you can. I have no problem with it. I likely will play the fantasy courses under regular golfing conditions. Likely never touch the night, glow junk, and it won't bother me one bit.


Of course, that's all assuming the game plays well and I enjoy it.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by Chairman7w

Yeah, let's call it what it is guys, that stuff was just stupid. Very disappointed.

To you, me and other Simulation purists, yes. To the casual arcade crowd, maybe not.....

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by brandon27

It might be stupid, sure. However, you can't make a business decision based on what you, personally think is stupid though. You have to cater to your customers. All of them. Especially when selling in a niche market, when putting out all of the expense you are in licensing authentic courses, golfers, brands/clothing/apparel and equipment. I'm not sure where the disappointment comes from? Because it's in the game? OK, don't play that portion. Problem solved? Should be. So, the night golf with lights doesn't appeal to you. OK. Great. Don't play the mode. That's the point they're trying to make here with the "Golf without Limits" and "Play your way" catch lines in their videos. You want to play PGA golf. Go for it! You want to play fantasy golf, at night? Go for it! You have the option. That's the important part of all of this. To actually make money selling this game, with the overhead going into it, you've got to expand your reach when it comes to your client base. Appeal to as many as you can. I have no problem with it. I likely will play the fantasy courses under regular golfing conditions. Likely never touch the night, glow junk, and it won't bother me one bit. Of course, that's all assuming the game plays well and I enjoy it.

Spot on Brandon....

[strawberryshortcake]

Quote: Originally Posted by brandon27

It might be stupid, sure. However, you can't make a business decision based on what you, personally think is stupid though. You have to cater to your customers. All of them. Especially when selling in a niche market, when putting out all of the expense you are in licensing authentic courses, golfers, brands/clothing/apparel and equipment. I'm not sure where the disappointment comes from? Because it's in the game? OK, don't play that portion. Problem solved? Should be. So, the night golf with lights doesn't appeal to you. OK. Great. Don't play the mode. That's the point they're trying to make here with the "Golf without Limits" and "Play your way" catch lines in their videos. You want to play PGA golf. Go for it! You want to play fantasy golf, at night? Go for it! You have the option. That's the important part of all of this. To actually make money selling this game, with the overhead going into it, you've got to expand your reach when it comes to your client base. Appeal to as many as you can. I have no problem with it. I likely will play the fantasy courses under regular golfing conditions. Likely never touch the night, glow junk, and it won't bother me one bit. Of course, that's all assuming the game plays well and I enjoy it.

I hear you. Options is definitely always a good thing.

Someone mentioned "casual" in a previous post. I was just throwing it out there (using me as an example) that not all casuals are looking for arcade elements in their video games. A certain percentage of people (not you specifically, but just in general) like to possibly make the assumption that "casual" gamers mean arcade gamers, first person shooters, etc.

I am probably even more casual than your average casual gamer if you can even call me that. Maybe I am a complete outlier.

I bought my PS4 on launch with NBA2k14 and eventually MLBtheShow14. Played NBA2k14 for a couple or days or so. Turned off my PS4. Several months later, picked up MLB14 and played it for about 1 to 2 weeks. Turned off my PS4. The PS4 was in hibernation until a couple days ago, NBA2k14 once again. I don't regret my PS4 purchase at all; it does provide enjoyment.

For whatever reason, I have this feeling that any time a developer chooses to implement any type of "arcade" mode to their game, there's a possibility it may seep through to the other more realistic modes. There may be absolute no correlation between their arcade vs simulation modes, but that's just how I see things. It feels tainted. If the game replicates the simulation well, I may be able to overlook the arcade mode, never touch, or humor myself and give it go just for the sake of it.

Such a realistic pretty looking game, and they just had to throw in the arcade option ... that's all.

EA can choose as they please. I can also choose as I please. (NBA2k15 didn't include a legitimate halftime show and I chose not to buy it. If NBA2k16 also does not include a legitimate halftime show, I will most likely completely bypass it again.)

[brandon27]

Quote: Originally Posted by DivotMaker

Spot on Brandon....

Ha, thanks. I hate talking about it from a business standpoint, but I think we all have to remember video games are a business. Big business actually. It's not just something simply made for our own pleasure how we see fit.


I actually applaud EA for doing what they've done here. Assuming I have the option to play the game in a PGA mode, and in an Arcade mode. Which it sounds like I do. As long as they don't force me to play the side of the game I'm not interested in. I'm happy.


Similar to Madden/NHL/Fifa.. I HATE the Ultimate team modes. I hate that they waste time with them. I understand why they are there, and that people do like them. I'm not forced to play it, only see it on the menu as an option, so I don't care.


I just think sometimes we all need to take a step back and look at these games for what they are. It's not just 100% about yours, or my individual pleasure with it. We're not entitled to that. It's a game made to appeal to as many people as possible. It's impossible to make everyone happy. All I hope, is I have to option to avoid the ugly side of the game, because I've always enjoyed playing the EA Golf series for what it is... a round of video game golf.

[DivotMaker]

Quote: Originally Posted by strawberryshortcake

I hear you. Options is definitely always a good thing. Someone mentioned "casual" in a previous post. I was just throwing it out there (using me as an example) that not all casuals are looking for arcade elements in their video games. A certain percentage of people (not you specifically, but just in general) like to possibly make the assumption that "casual" gamers mean arcade gamers, first person shooters, etc. I am probably even more casual than your average casual gamer if you can even call me that. Maybe I am a complete outlier. I bought my PS4 on launch with NBA2k14 and eventually MLBtheShow14. Played NBA2k14 for a couple or days or so. Turned off my PS4. Several months later, picked up MLB14 and played it for about 1 to 2 weeks. Turned off my PS4. The PS4 was in hibernation until a couple days ago, NBA2k14 once again. I don't regret my PS4 purchase at all; it does provide enjoyment. For whatever reason, I have this feeling that any time a developer chooses to implement any type of "arcade" mode to their game, there's a possibility it may seep through to the other more realistic modes. There may be absolute no correlation between their arcade vs simulation modes, but that's just how I see things. It feels tainted. If the game replicates the simulation well, I may be able to overlook the arcade mode, never touch, or humor myself and give it go just for the sake of it. Such a realistic pretty looking game, and they just had to throw in the arcade option ... that's all. EA can choose as they please. I can also choose as I please. (NBA2k15 didn't include a legitimate halftime show and I chose not to buy it. If NBA2k16 also does not include a legitimate halftime show, I will most likely completely bypass it again.)

I hear you. I expect that RM will have a clear distinction between pure arcade and simulating modes and anything in between like TW14 had. We are all waiting to get our hands on it to see how true to the PGA TOURNAMENTS it plays in Tour mode or will we have to go to Custom mode to dial in the difficulty that each of us are looking for. That is one of their tag lines for this game....play it your way....

[MrSkagTrendy]

Anyone know if this title has GameFace featured in it? I'm trying to live my dream here! Would be great to see myself finally getting good at golf!

[Chairman7w]

Very true, can't argue with that at all, good post.

My problem with it is that I think of the development time and money that went into that crap (a battleship crashing? Really?) and I think of the real courses that could have taken up that time instead. If they didn't take the time to make space golf (or whatever's going on there) they could have added a dozen more real courses, and golfers.

But I understand that doesn't change your point, they have to try and appeal to the widest possible audience. But the selfish side of me hates it.

Sigh... Oh well, first world problems, right?

Quote: Originally Posted by brandon27

It might be stupid, sure. However, you can't make a business decision based on what you, personally think is stupid though. You have to cater to your customers. All of them. Especially when selling in a niche market, when putting out all of the expense you are in licensing authentic courses, golfers, brands/clothing/apparel and equipment. I'm not sure where the disappointment comes from? Because it's in the game? OK, don't play that portion. Problem solved? Should be. So, the night golf with lights doesn't appeal to you. OK. Great. Don't play the mode. That's the point they're trying to make here with the "Golf without Limits" and "Play your way" catch lines in their videos. You want to play PGA golf. Go for it! You want to play fantasy golf, at night? Go for it! You have the option. That's the important part of all of this. To actually make money selling this game, with the overhead going into it, you've got to expand your reach when it comes to your client base. Appeal to as many as you can. I have no problem with it. I likely will play the fantasy courses under regular golfing conditions. Likely never touch the night, glow junk, and it won't bother me one bit. Of course, that's all assuming the game plays well and I enjoy it.