Madden NFL 16 Features All-New Controls to Dominate Air Supremacy

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by oneamongthefence

If they're throwing bombs to Dez Bryant, a fundamental aspect of football would dictate that a receiver should try to actually catch the ball instead of watching it come down and hopefully it lands in their hands. Fighting for the ball as a receiver is fundamental. That's something I would think the completely non hardcore player would notice. Fundamental football isn't just the x's and o's. It's also technique and basic football logic and training. Madden is still at the pee wee level of concepts where it's basically run pass and block. Hope for the best. When I can hand my controller to my 4 year old son and he can complete a pass or get a few yards on a run by accident on all pro or all Madden something is wrong.

I was thinking along this same line when reading some of the stuff about making the game more realistic is of little benefit to the less football savvy gamer. Like most excuses for why Madden is the way it is, this seems to fly in the face of reason, considering like you noted, it actually can make the game more accessible to that kind of player when their favorite or most recognizable players not only look but actually play like themselves in-game. Kind of jumping all over the place a bit but that's why some interest in MUT baffles me, with all the players playing pretty much the same aside from some minor differences like Speed, I wonder why people care about fielding some All Star Team or whatever. Maybe it's more about the aspect of collecting and trading cards, which I respect that many people have always enjoyed.

Anyway the general point is there is no downside to making the game as realistic as possible, that notion is a red herring. That's what's so frustrating at times because when deciding to add x into Madden, whether it will be designed to emulate real life should never be up for debate, that should be a given when creating a sports sim, what should be worked out however is the various UI and options for Users to access x, if applicable.

All that doesn't matter though because that's not the POV on which Madden is built. Madden isn't built to emulate football and have the User interact or delegate as they see fit, it's built to be some NFL branded version of a 1v1 real time strategy game. That's likely why the notion of a True Coach mode in Madden, which existed in NCAA Football, is such a foreign concept, they think most things the User isn't directly in control of, in real time, is trivial.

[oneamongthefence]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I was thinking along this same line when reading some of the stuff about making the game more realistic is of little benefit to the less football savvy gamer.

I think EA looks at it as it's little benefit to their profit line. The details are what separates an enjoyable experience and a memorable one. Madden is an enjoyable experience to me just not necessarily a memorable one.

[roadman]

Like the list Aholbert put out today, I think we can all agree that the gimmicks Madden used to include in the game are gone. ie, create a fan, create a cheerleader, buy a ring, kiss a cheerleader, etc.......

If only they can get the things they input into the game lately to work properly, there would be less complaining.

[oneamongthefence]

Quote: Originally Posted by roadman

Like the list Aholbert put out today, I think we can all agree that the gimmicks Madden used to include in the game are gone. ie, create a fan, create a cheerleader, buy a ring, kiss a cheerleader, etc....... If only they can get the things they input into the game lately to work properly, there would be less complaining.

Back when they had the leverage and support to put "fluff" in the game in 04 05 and 06.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by oneamongthefence

I think EA looks at it as it's little benefit to their profit line. The details are what separates an enjoyable experience and a memorable one. Madden is an enjoyable experience to me just not necessarily a memorable one.

Maybe so but that POV baffles me because realism would only attract more gamers that are looking for that, not detract from those that already can play the game for what it is. There are so many asinine notions out there about people that just won't like Madden no matter what, maybe EA is drinking that kool-aid, idk. However as someone that is often perceived to be some kind of unreasonable gamer that expects too much, in reality I should be low hanging fruit for EA. I found ways to enjoy M06-M08, which are admitted by even the staunches Madden supporters to be among the worst Maddens ever, yet I can't even suspend belief enough to stomach the latest versions, considering it's a decade and a new console generation since this fiasco began. To RGiles point, there is no way in the Sam Hill that if EA really wanted a realistic football game developed by now, they wouldn't have it.

I know it's not personal because EA would have to actually care for it to be but it often feels that way, like they just won't allow a realistic football game to be made out of spite, lol. Like punishment for all the gamers that dared to play other NFL games when they were available, now we'll play Madden and like it or nothing. /paranoid rant

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

Maybe so but that POV baffles me because realism would only attract more gamers that are looking for that, not detract from those that already can play the game for what it is. There are so many asinine notions out there about people that just won't like Madden no matter what, maybe EA is drinking that kool-aid, idk. However as someone that is often perceived to be some kind of unreasonable gamer that expects too much, in reality I should be low hanging fruit for EA. I found ways to enjoy M06-M08, which are admitted by even the staunches Madden supporters to be among the worst Maddens ever, yet I can't even suspend belief enough to stomach the latest versions, considering it's a decade and a new console generation since this fiasco began. To RGiles point, there is no way in the Sam Hill that if EA really wanted a realistic football game developed by now, they wouldn't have it. I know it's not personal because EA would have to actually care for it to be but it often feels that way, like they just won't allow a realistic football game to be made out of spite, lol. Like punishment for all the gamers that dared to play other NFL games when they were available, now we'll play Madden and like it or nothing. /paranoid rant

Thats a hell of an assumption there. There are plenty of gamers who arent that interested in a sim level of realism. The tournament players. The cheesers. They like playing Madden as it is with all of the glitch exploits and unrealistic gameplay it currently has.

And guess what? Their money is worth the same as yours. And just like the sim heads walk away because the game is unrealistic at times, there is a chance they will walk away from the game if EA made it more difficult for them to play the game the way they want to play it. The difference is there appear to be more of them than guys like OSers.

****, actually their money may be more valuable than yours because those are the same guys who will spend dollar after dollar on Madden Ultimate team packs.

I'm getting old so I may not be remembering this correctly but back in the day I heard that Ian wanted to use part of a dev cycle to stomp out some of the biggest cheats and exploits people were using online. He wanted the game to be played more realistic and sim like online. So he had their Madden open house where they invite a bunch of online gamers and those gamers flipped the hell out when they heard those changes. And that was the last time I heard that dev team talk about fixing exploits.

This dev team has mentioned the same thing about wanting to make online and offline play more realistic but as you can see they only go so far. They dont want to risk alienating the cheesers who will buy the game just to pacify the sim gamers who may buy the game.

[aholbert32]

I think Ive discovered the difference between me and users like Sage and Big FN Deal:

We both looked at games like Madden 07-08 and said "This game sucks but I'll make the best of it".

The difference is I look at Madden now and think "This is much better than what I played back in 07 and 08. "

You guys look at Madden now and think "Its been almost ten years. The game is somewhat better but it should be MUCH better than it is now."

[N51_rob]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

You guys look at Madden now and think "Its been almost ten years. The game is somewhat better but it should be MUCH better than it is now."

I'm in that same boat, but I'm just burnt out of talking about what could be, should be, and needs to be fixed to make Madden a MUCH better game. Its been 10 years if the Devs don't know how to make their game better its because they don't want to know, if they do know and haven't or won't that is a different issue.

No amount of talking and feedback from OS is gonna change the fact that we are not the target demo of this game. You look at how games like the show and nba 2k have embraced the OS community and the results in the core gameplay of those games vs Madden who has shunned OS and the state of madden. The info and individuals are here, but EA/Madden don't want our help, why keep spinning our wheels?