Madden NFL 16 Features All-New Controls to Dominate Air Supremacy

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

In theory, like I said earlier in the thread, word-of-mouth marketing. Those who care the most about the game are most likely to talk about it and get more eyes on it. In practice? Not sure, for the points you mentioned. To be fair, however, when was the last time Tiburon marketed to Operation Sports directly? Their Twitch streams last year brought in the OS audience, yes, but those also brought in anyone who follows @EASportsMaddenNFL on Twitter, where they promoted the streams. I assume the group of people who are followers of Madden on Twitter is a broad cross-section of people who like various aspects of the game. In contrast, other than Rex Dickson popping up for a post or two every now and then I haven't seen continued direct interaction between Tiburon and OS on OS in years.

When Ian and the previous dev team used to interact with the forums. They used to produce videos specifically for us showing new animations and changes from the previous years. Then they went away for multiple reasons.

1) OSers are some of the most demanding fans you will find on the net. When Ian didnt follow through on some of the things he promised, OSers pretty much ran him off. He wasnt very thick skinned but many of the people went a bit overboard. This is the reason we are really protective of devs who visit our site.

2) EA and the dev teams realized they dont really need to get our input and/or they can get our input without actually interacting with us. Like I said, most people here will buy Madden this year like they always do. So its would be a bit of a waste of marketing/development funds to market to fans who are going to buy your game no matter what.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

I dont know if thats the case with me. If Madden 16 is the same as Madden 15 except with WR/DB interaction and penalties that work, I would be happy. The game wouldnt be at the level of some of the alltime greatest football games but it would be solid enough to get me through football season.

Well I mean you haven't been all "doom and gloom" with Madden in this thread so I wasn't really referring to guys like you, CM, Skyboxer, armor sword, ect. It's great that you guys find enjoyment in the product that Tiburon presents. Guys like myself feel like we should be getting more at this stage, and based on the past we know we won't be getting it, so we're just discussing/venting.

I personally had some fun with Madden 15 at times, but I know I'm getting a mediocre product. I'm just personally tired of it. I fooled myself into thinking maybe another platform generation would provide enough.

[Skyboxer]

Quote: Originally Posted by SageInfinite

Well I mean you haven't been all "doom and gloom" with Madden in this thread so I wasn't really referring to guys like you, CM, Skyboxer, armor sword, ect. It's great that you guys find enjoyment in the product that Tiburon presents. Guys like myself feel like we should be getting more at this stage, and based on the past we know we won't be getting it, so we're just discussing/venting. I personally had some fun with Madden 15 at times, but I know I'm getting a mediocre product. I'm just personally tired of it. I fooled myself into thinking maybe another platform generation would provide enough.

Just to clarify.. I also think we are no where near where we should be with console FB gaming.
For me it's simply that there's nothing I can do about it other than voice what I want each year.
Even though the jump I'd like to see hasn't been reached yet, Madden15 was a very enjoyable game to me. When the day comes it isn't I'll stop buying.
Said it before but coming from stick figures etc.. I can easily enjoy these games. Doesn't mean I am totally satisfied in the end.

[oneamongthefence]

If Madden had a proper system where logical causes and effects happen it would naturally train players to understand why some thing work and others don't. Too often the outcome is fairly random and has very little to do with play calls. Why did I get stuffed on run play? Was it because my lineman just completely whiffed on a block or did he just go brain dead and block the wrong guy? There's too many variables from ratings to the engine just calling apart in certain situations to bad ai programming to realistically teach someone football fundamentals.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by oneamongthefence

If Madden had a proper system where logical causes and effects happen it would naturally train players to understand why some thing work and others don't. Too often the outcome is fairly random and has very little to do with play calls. Why did I get stuffed on run play? Was it because my lineman just completely whiffed on a block or did he just go brain dead and block the wrong guy? There's too many variables from ratings to the engine just calling apart in certain situations to bad ai programming to realistically teach someone football fundamentals.

Is that the purpose of playing a video game? I dont play Madden to learn about football fundamentals. When most people put Madden in they are not looking to learn about a 3 technique DT or what a rover is. They are looking to play a game and do stuff similar to what they see on TV. They want to throw bombs to Dez or truck people with Marshawn. They arent trying to learn what gap a outside LB is supposed to fill.

[NINJAK2]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Is that the purpose of playing a video game? I dont play Madden to learn about football fundamentals. When most people put Madden in they are not looking to learn about a 3 technique DT or what a rover is. They are looking to play a game and do stuff similar to what they see on TV. They want to throw bombs to Dez or truck people with Marshawn. They arent trying to learn what gap a outside LB is supposed to fill.

This is probably true for the majority of people that buy Madden and most other sports games but that doesn't really excuse these games from not having game mechanics based on the sim aspects of said sport. While you may not play Madden to LEARN about football fundamentals I'm guessing you wish to play a game that is atleast BASED ON good football fundamentals. These games can still be fun for the average player while being based on the physics, principles, and concepts that make said sport what it is. I like Madden 15....which makes the issues I see with it that much more annoying

[Senator Palmer]

Quote: Originally Posted by aholbert32

Is that the purpose of playing a video game? I dont play Madden to learn about football fundamentals. When most people put Madden in they are not looking to learn about a 3 technique DT or what a rover is. They are looking to play a game and do stuff similar to what they see on TV. They want to throw bombs to Dez or truck people with Marshawn. They arent trying to learn what gap a outside LB is supposed to fill.

Lol... then let them play on rookie.

[aholbert32]

Quote: Originally Posted by Senator Palmer

Lol... then let them play on rookie.

LOL. What if I want a challenge though? Guys, dont get me wrong. I want all the things that you guys want in a football game. I just think we should be realistic about what EA is willing to add and what they consider important.