Madden NFL 16 Launches on August 25th - News, Features and Details Arrive in May

[kingsofthevalley]

Very excited for this!!!! Madden15 was a pretty solid offering and I have a feeling that this year we're going to see the greatest football video game ever created. Continue to polish the infinite engine by implementing a course of action that takes weight into accountability as I think we should be done with the random animations that defy gravity this go around gents. Player movement/locomotion was better in 15 and reminded me of the realistic "turn radius depending on player velocity" that we had in the classic Madden days, however, this all definitely still needs some attention to detail. Lets focus some manpower on that please.

Not sure if it would be too much to ask, but gauntlet/practice modes should also be built as "slider arenas" also. Meaning that the "universal sliders" (the ones that work the same across all modes, reminder lmao) can be accessed within the pause menu and we can field what ever position we want. This would work perfectly for streamlined, precision slider testing no doubt. I understand that slider gurus are probably a very small population of the Madden community, but you already have the shell of this option available, we just need to be able to get to the sliders during one of the previously mentioned modes, and that could be a done deal.

"I read a post that stated something to the effect of, this topic usually would've had 100 replies but it doesn't because no one is interested." Completely disagree. I'm on the other side of the fence with that one. I think the requests/suggestions are short because damn near everything the forum was asking for is pretty much in the game now. I've been around, either posting or lurking during the console generation transition (xbox to xb360) period with all of the 2k comparisons and complaints. If you sit back and assess things, you'll notice the requests have been implemented and the complaints are getting shorter and shorter.

Trust me, this is coming from someone who has been EXTREMELY disappointed with many of the previous iterations of the game. 15 was very solid and I still play it every now and then…….thats saying something!!! The biggest complaint I've seen arise that seems to be universal is WR/DB interaction, which I agree with, but it honestly didn't stick out with me as a major game changer but hey if you can get it in there, anything to make the game better I'll take. Other than that, (and my previous suggestions of course) I think the devs have been doing great as of Madden 25/15. 25 is where they turned it around, so for me 16 is where I'm expecting some HUGE jumps. This will be year three.

[Gridiron]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmittyD81

This interview states that it's not the traditional 3 year plan. http://www.operationsports.com/featu...-gm-cam-weber/

C'mon homie, smh. You gotta know better than that. These dudes are on their 3rd 3-year plan and still building a game on broken technology. My dude, they ported the code of a broken game into a new generation, lol! Surprise surprise the game has most of the same damn problems as it did all last generation. How can things get better when youre using the same broken mess as a foundation? Dont you cats see the problem? Theyre adding more stories onto a house that was built on quicksand.

That dev team is full of you know what. Why keep helping them BS the public? They know they cant fix most of these problems and the sim issues we complain about will never be right as long as they stick with this dinosaur code and tech theyve been using since the early 2000s, and its funny to me how Donny Moore would even open his mouth to disrespect Joe Montana on Twitter like that as if Madden is some kind of example of best in class tech, smh. Who is Donny Moore to disrespect Joe Montana? Donny Moore is nobody, and he wouldnt even have a job if it werent for people like Joe Montana going out there risking his body for this game for all those years.

At this point yo, I don't want another NFL game just because I want another NFL game. I want another NFL game thats great and wrecks Madden into NBA Live status just because the people making this game whove publicly revealed themselves are detestable unprofessional people who have no respect for the game of football or the greats who made it great, and because of that these clowns arent worthy of respect. And the fact that they come off like that in public makes it clear as to why the game they make is so effed up.

[SmittyD81]

Quote: Originally Posted by Gridiron

C'mon homie, smh. You gotta know better than that. These dudes are on their 3rd 3-year plan and still building a game on broken technology. My dude, they ported the code of a broken game into a new generation, lol! Surprise surprise the game has most of the same damn problems as it did all last generation. How can things get better when youre using the same broken mess as a foundation? Dont you cats see the problem? Theyre adding more stories onto a house that was built on quicksand. That dev team is full of you know what. Why keep helping them BS the public? They know they cant fix most of these problems and the sim issues we complain about will never be right as long as they stick with this dinosaur code and tech theyve been using since the early 2000s, and its funny to me how Donny Moore would even open his mouth to disrespect Joe Montana on Twitter like that as if Madden is some kind of example of best in class tech, smh. Who is Donny Moore to disrespect Joe Montana? Donny Moore is nobody, and he wouldnt even have a job if it werent for people like Joe Montana going out there risking his body for this game for all those years. At this point yo, I don't want another NFL game just because I want another NFL game. I want another NFL game thats great and wrecks Madden into NBA Live status just because the people making this game whove publicly revealed themselves are detestable unprofessional people who have no respect for the game of football or the greats who made it great, and because of that these clowns arent worthy of respect. And the fact that they come off like that in public makes it clear as to why the game they make is so effed up.

I appreciate your opinion and respect how you feel. I want JM16 to be great, but I'm not gonna deny gameplay improvement to uphold a generally accepted opinion, especially from these past 3 games.

[bringbacksimfootball]

I just wonder how long people who defend and cheerlead for this game will do it? 5 more years? 10 more years? 20? What has really changed with this game in the past 10 years besides its graphics and some presentation elements?

Is the blocking AI on APF level? No. Is the passing game on APF's level where you can complete every throw a pro QB can without it being negated by a ridiculous animation or a psychic DB? No. Does the game have route-based passing? No. Is there realistic WR/DB interaction? No. Are the animations on the same level as the other top sports games? No. Does a pocket form consistently? No. Do QB's drop, set, and throw with proper form? No. Do DB's set and react with proper form? No. Can RB's run behind and push behind on a lineman without being stuck on him or being knocked down altogether? No.

So where is this game going exactly?

When you have Tiburon devs on Twitter telling people that running animations are "too minor" a thing to care about in a FOOTBALL GAME, then you know you're dealing with a dev team that doesn't do this with passion. This a job to them, and they're just trying to hit their internal metrics, get paid, and go home at the end of the day. And hey, that's fine, but if I didn't love what I do and didn't have deep passion for it, I wouldn't be on Twitter putting myself out to the public like they do.

People are not stupid. They can see a difference between a team that develops with the love of what they're doing versus a team that's just trying to get it done and over with. I realize EA is not one of the best places to work in this industry, but as a consumer I simply don't care. All I know is that I continue to see a game that has a problem in pretty much every single area and little to nothing ever gets done about it.

[bringbacksimfootball]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmittyD81

I appreciate your opinion and respect how you feel. I want JM16 to be great, but I'm not gonna deny gameplay improvement to uphold a generally accepted opinion, especially from these past 3 games.

The improvements are acknowledged. The problem is that those improvements have been infinitesimal. We're talking about things that other sports franchises be it football or otherwise nailed ages ago. Sorry, but there is no excuse for that and defending it now is either total naivety or just flat out dishonesty.

Look at my YouTube channel vids, and look at how many times I identified an issue in Madden 15 that was present in Madden 06-25? Core problems that go to the heart of what makes football FOOTBALL. I didn't even have to say a word in the vids, because the footage speaks for itself. And to make it worse, I didn't even have to try hard to look for them. I just played the game and noticed issues easily and recorded the vids as I played. That's how many problems this game has, you don't even have to try.

And what was Clint Oldenburg's response to it? Denial. At least with Ian he was straight with me and maybe it's because I saw him face-to-face a lot. But these newer guys? All they do is deny and downplay. Going by their Twitter responses, absolutely everything we care about is "minor" to them, and that's probably why the game is still stuck in 2003 with AI one would expect from a 2003 game along with animations to match.

[SmittyD81]

Quote: Originally Posted by bringbacksimfootball

The improvements are acknowledged. The problem is that those improvements have been infinitesimal. We're talking about things that other sports franchises be it football or otherwise nailed ages ago. Sorry, but there is no excuse for that and defending it now is either total naivety or just flat out dishonesty. Look at my YouTube channel vids, and look at how many times I identified an issue in Madden 15 that was present in Madden 06-25? Core problems that go to the heart of what makes football FOOTBALL. I didn't even have to say a word in the vids, because the footage speaks for itself. And to make it worse, I didn't even have to try hard to look for them. I just played the game and noticed issues easily and recorded the vids as I played. That's how many problems this game has, you don't even have to try. And what was Clint Oldenburg's response to it? Denial. At least with Ian he was straight with me and maybe it's because I saw him face-to-face a lot. But these newer guys? All they do is deny and downplay. Going by their Twitter responses, absolutely everything we care about is "minor" to them, and that's probably why the game is still stuck in 2003 with AI one would expect from a 2003 game along with animations to match.

I appreciate and respect your opinion.

[FaceMask]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmittyD81

I appreciate and respect your opinion.

Even if that were true, you do realize that much of what he said isn't an opinion, right? Football fundamentals aren't opinion. There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything in football, and clearly Madden's animations and AI consistently display wrong ways that objectively don't line up with fundamental football.

Now, his view that the improvements have been small could be viewed as an opinion, but can you honestly say with a straight face that this is wrong? I mean, Smitty, let's be real here, can you honestly say the pace of innovation from 2005 to 2015 with EA/Tiburon at the helm is the same as the pace from just 1999 to 2004 when there was competition? Can you name any single innovation that EA/Tiburon has put into Madden in the last decade that put it ahead of where football gaming was before the exclusive license? I really want to know, because I can't think of a single thing Madden has introduced in the last decade that could be classified as "innovation".

As for his interactions with Clint Oldenburg, well, that's a fact because we can see that in writing. All Clint does is talk to people like they're crazy when they mention a problem. BBSB showed the man footage from the game and he denies it like it's not there, lol. I remember a funny one where Clint was saying that the blocking AI is the best ever of any football game ever made, then RyanMoody and BBSB both quickly posted videos of plays where the blocking was completely broken (not that it's hard to find those). This is the sort of stuff that can't be defended.

What makes people concerned about this whole thing is that people who defend this game pretty much respond the same way the EA Employees do now, but EA employees get paid to respond like that. I think people want to see expectations being demanded by people interacting with EA, rather than an endless sea of hope that ignores the reality we can all see, because at this point wouldn't a person not want to keep having their time wasted?

It's good to be positive, but there comes a point when positivity becomes gullibility and the communities that defend this game are way past the positivity point now. It's like they're all just parroting PR statements written by Tiburon.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

This is the Madden NFL forum. No more 2K talk in this thread.

Friendly reminder. This goes for the Joe Montana game too. Neither should be brought up in this thread or in this sub-forum, period.

If you want to make comparisons, go to the Football - Other subforum.