MLB 15 The Show Player Ratings - Top Rated Players For Each Team

[stlbearboy]

I know they use 50, 25,25 to get the ratings, but I think for young players the weight should be more towards the previous year vs prior years, especially when you are comparing against rookies. By every analytics measure Rizzo had just as good of a year or even better than Abreu but because he struggled for two years while Abreu was in Cuba, they have a 5 gap in overall.

[countryboy]

Quote: Originally Posted by ScouserHUN

When they went through the teams in the last stream, there were no over 35yo players in any teams top10. Koji is another example, he is also not in RedSox top 10 players in that screenshot I had posted. Also Big Papi is on a hot streak on that screenshot...

Maybe Koji is injured? They do have 2 MLB guys on the DL.

And while Papi is on a hot streak, we do not know what has happened prior to that screenshot.

I just think its difficult to pass judgement on the progression/regression of the game based on what is shown in a screenshot or stream, unless the devs completely breakdown why a certain player is rated the way he is rated at that time. We don't know Papi's stats, if he's injured or been injured, or what he did to get on hotstreak.

IMO, there are simply too many unknown variables at play to make hard-fast decision on how the progression/regression system is working this year.

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cavicchi

I don't see the relevance of what a student does in Middle School to what a professional baseball player does in the major leagues. Hamilton played in 152 games last year, and you know his caught stealing percentage--he is not Ricky Henderson. Now he may at some point get to that stage, but as of now he is not and should be rated accordingly, and that is my opinion. I already said minor league stats for rookies is a basis, not disputing that, but Hamilton has had a full season in the majors. Obviously we don't agree on Hamilton.

I wasn't making a direct analogy between math students and baseball players... that was clearly not my point. I was making an analogy though comparing people performing at slightly different level of competition within the same skill category (one group in math, another in baseball).

I'm not going to agree or disagree with you on anything, because I'm not really interested in one person's opinion in general, as doing so isn't all that meaningful in a random forum like this.

... but your comparing Hamilton to Rickey Henderson doesn't really make sense as well, as Rickey actually illustrates the point that I was making about the difficulty of quantifying base steal ability simply through stats like SB and CS.

Do you know who is ahead in career SB success rate over Rickey? Someone like Jayson Werth comes ahead of Henderson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...c_career.shtml). If you don't get this point, I don't know how it's worth having any discussion.....

[Cavicchi]

Quote: Originally Posted by nomo17k

I wasn't making a direct analogy between math students and baseball players... that was clearly not my point. I was making an analogy though comparing people performing at slightly different level of competition within the same skill category (one group in math, another in baseball). I'm not going to agree or disagree with you on anything, because I'm not really interested in one person's opinion in general, as doing so isn't all that meaningful in a random forum like this. ... but your comparing Hamilton to Rickey Henderson doesn't really make sense as well, as Rickey actually illustrates the point that I was making about the difficulty of quantifying base steal ability simply through stats like SB and CS. Do you know who is ahead in career SB success rate over Rickey? Someone like Jayson Werth comes ahead of Henderson (http://www.baseball-reference.com/le...c_career.shtml). If you don't get this point, I don't know how it's worth having any discussion.....

I fail to see what your comparison between Werth and Henderson proves. I said Hamilton is not Ricky Henderson, meaning, Hamilton has not proven himself to be a top-notch base stealer like Henderson.

If you feel an opinion, or my opinion, is not important, why are you continuing this discussion? You see, I'm different, I feel forum discussions are meaningful with people exchanging ideas and opinions.

[Cavicchi]

Nomo17k,

I'll go back to what I said earlier and include a link to Hamilton's stats, fact. Hamilton should not be rated 99 for steal ability based on his record last year, his first full season in the majors. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/...billy-hamilton

I don't believe his minor league stats should supersede what he did in the majors last year--and you obviously disagree. Now that was all established early on in our conversation. So what else is new? Nothing? Then let's move on to our separate ways.

Have a nice day!

[nomo17k]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cavicchi

I fail to see what your comparison between Werth and Henderson proves. I said Hamilton is not Ricky Henderson, meaning, Hamilton has not proven himself to be a top-notch base stealer like Henderson. If you feel an opinion, or my opinion, is not important, why are you continuing this discussion? You see, I'm different, I feel forum discussions are meaningful with people exchanging ideas and opinions.

My point is that you cannot simply use SB success rate (especially when the sample is small) to rate player's innate ability to steal (does not matter who that is, Hamilton or Henderson). My example with Werth and Henderson is that just by looking at MLB SB success rate, as you seem to selectively do with Hamilton, Werth may actually be a better base stealer than Henderson. Which could be the case, if Werth is really that good and can maintain his high SB success rate after making steal attempts as frequently as Henderson did... But our "impression" (and mostly likely their skill difference) is that Henderson is indeed much better stealer than Werth is. But that doesn't necessarily translate into SB success rate, for reasons that I've mentioned.

And note that I've never really made any claim about Hamilton's ability to steal. Again, I am just making a general comment, not how Hamilton is rated specifically.

I tend to respond to whoever quote me or respond to what I write so that was just that. But I did not include your post in my original post (I'd quote if I am specifically responding to something) simply because I knew how initiating a discussion with you won't end up being meaningful. Sorry to be blunt, but that has always been the case with a couple posters here in this forum... so I now avoid chiming in these days. I will simply go back not responding to your post at all. And please understand that when I post something, it won't be in an attempt to respond to you.

I just wanted to share with others how it might not be so trivial to rate base stealer's ability from traditional stats. It was totally not directed to you, Cavicchi, and I even actually wanted to avoid this meaningless back and forth.

[Cavicchi]

Quote: Originally Posted by nomo17k

My point is that you cannot simply use SB success rate (especially when the sample is small) to rate player's innate ability to steal (does not matter who that is, Hamilton or Henderson). My example with Werth and Henderson is that just by looking at MLB SB success rate, as you seem to selectively do with Hamilton, Werth may actually be a better base stealer than Henderson. Which could be the case, if Werth is really that good and can maintain his high SB success rate after making steal attempts as frequently as Henderson did... But our "impression" (and mostly likely their skill difference) is that Henderson is indeed much better stealer than Werth is. But that doesn't necessarily translate into SB success rate, for reasons that I've mentioned. And note that I've never really made any claim about Hamilton's ability to steal. Again, I am just making a general comment, not how Hamilton is rated specifically. I tend to respond to whoever quote me or respond to what I write so that was just that. But I did not include your post in my original post (I'd quote if I am specifically responding to something) simply because I knew how initiating a discussion with you won't end up being meaningful. Sorry to be blunt, but that has always been the case with a couple posters here in this forum... so I now avoid chiming in these days. I will simply go back not responding to your post at all. And please understand that when I post something, it won't be in an attempt to respond to you. I just wanted to share with others how it might not be so trivial to rate base stealer's ability from traditional stats. It was totally not directed to you, Cavicchi, and I even actually wanted to avoid this meaningless back and forth.

When Werth steals 100 bases in a year, then we can compare him with Henderson. Hamilton had a full year in the majors last year, and I don't consider that being selective. I do consider that more important than what he did in the minors. Henderson did it in the majors, not just 100 and over steals, but his success rate over that span as well. Ricky Henderson was a 99 for steal ability, Hamilton at this point is not.

[HozAndMoose]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cavicchi

When Werth steals 100 bases in a year, then we can compare him with Henderson. Hamilton had a full year in the majors last year, and I don't consider that being selective. I do consider that more important than what he did in the minors. Henderson did it in the majors, not just 100 and over steals, but his success rate over that span as well. Ricky Henderson was a 99 for steal ability, Hamilton at this point is not.

You reason for Hamilton not being a 99 was because he got caught stealing 23 times last year. Henderson got caught stealing 20+ times in 3 seasons. Including 42 time the year he stole 130. And just because Hamilton stole 165 bases in the minors doesnt really take anything away from that. Plenty of catchers in the minors have the arm strength to throw out runners.