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[bad_philanthropy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Altimus

I try to ignore certain things because we're trying to sim a 90 minute game of football into 20-30 minutes. My biggest gripe is only if they gave human AI defenders 50-70% logic of that of their AI counterparts. (And tweak keepers)

This. I understand some of the scripting to a degree in order to scale and simulate a variety of game types into the player experience, but the defensive and keeper AI for the human player is just ridiculous at times.

Sometimes I take control of a CB while the ball is still being worked down the wing, and my LS inputs simply don't register, and my player is stuck in the sidestep shuffle (without holding LT) at a shockingly inadequate speed not normally attainable when I hold LT. Doesn't matter if I hold RT to sprint either. I'm simply stuck shuffling at a snails pace. It's like clockwork that the cpu scores on these plays. I know when I'm stuck shuffling in the mud with my CB, the cpu is about to score.

Obviously the cpu advantage in defending in respect to tacking, and moving irrespective of realistic momentum is annoying as hell at times as well. They simply have too much ability and aptitude with any defender regardless of ratings mismatch. I'd like to see a bit more disparity. I don't want to need to play (or be able to) tiki-taka in League 2 football in order to break down Northhampton. I want to be able to win some one on one races off a hoofed ball down the pitch, or an ugly ground cross to a trailer at the edge of the box, or simply be able to make a turnstyle out of a 38 year old CB on his last legs.


I understand these artificial moments are a necessary evil of designing a scaled down football experience, but they still suffer from feeling overly obvious at times, and it is just a severe downer on the experience. If my built in disadvantages could feel more organic I'd have fewer complaints.

[FluffyTonka]

I dunno ... I'm still loving the game.

My last 3 games in the premier league have been (me) Burnley.

Burnley def Chelsea 2-0
Burnley 8 (6 on target) shots on goal 47% possession
Chelsea 15 (7) 53%

Was winning 1-nil with 82 minutes down and I hit them on the counter with Trippier who got bought down in the box and Snodgrass put away the penalty.

Swansea def Burnley 3-0
I had a man sent off with a 38th minute penalty which they converted. I was really pressing hard for an equalizer and gave up two goals in the 88th & 94th minute.

Manchester 0- Burnley 0

I parked the bus for 75 minutes and hit them on the counter and nearly scored with Ings, but his shot hit the crossbar, came back into the box, then he wrapped a sweet shot around the keeper, but it hit the goal post.

United dominated play and that was my only shot on goal.

World Class Level, 15 minute halves with my own sliders (based off Orion's).

You can defend if you're patient and plug holes and get men behind the ball and block shots in the box, and don't mind giving up corners and possession on scrambling clearances.

imo you need a gameplan that best suits your team.

mine is to defend or go ultra defensive depending on my opponent, and weather the storm until around the 55-60th minute

As the players get tired I bring some pace onto the wings and/or at striker and try and hit teams on the counter.

I'm using the (I imported the teamsheet) liverpool formation and tactics and playing possession based football and just tapping it around the park in my back half and try to unlock the CPU defense with passing over taking them on with the ball at my feet.

You have to be weary of where you turn the ball over, because good teams will run it right down your throat from turnovers.

Always play with an organised structure (from your tactics page) over free roaming. I free roam with my CAM and that's it. That way when you do lose possession, your defensive line is automatically set and ready for action.

A really good CDM (high stand tackle , high strength, intercept & heading) is a must too, imo. Good jumping and heading, and they'll win plenty of ball in the air, which is excellent to retain possession.

[BL8001]

bad_philanthropy, spot on.

My feelings as well. Too much of that trapped in animations/momentum for the user and the CPU being completely free from the trappings.

That is just all over almost every interaction in the game so it's really not hard to notice, be annoyed about, when it makes itself more obvious than usual.

One other thing this game needs desperately is the ball to be free. The World Cup game was miles better about this aspect. I was really hoping that would carry over from WC to FIFA 15. The 15 demo even had more ball freedom than the full game.

The cpu rarely plays a lofted ball into space and is overly judicious with their ground through balls so 98% of the cpu passes are to the feet of the cpu player and as the user, if you play one of these "manual" type balls into space the CPU usually needs to take less than 2 steps to retrieve any "loose" ball.

FIFA 15 kept that station to station cpu passing feel. It's weird, I don't know why this is, it's not because it's hard to code, because the WC game handled the looser ball just fine, you and the cpu just chased them down from different angles and you would win them sometimes and they would others.

Simple this, the WC game felt like you chased the ball around the field trying to control it and move it into strategic areas of the pitch, FIFA feels like if you don't rapidly pass and do 1-2 give and go passes all over the place you aren't playing it right, or at least like the CPU is programmed to play.

[BL8001]

Quote: Originally Posted by FluffyTonka

I dunno ... I'm still loving the game. My last 3 games in the premier league have been (me) Burnley. Burnley def Chelsea 2-0 Burnley 8 (6 on target) shots on goal 47% possession Chelsea 15 (7) 53%

If you watch Men In Blazers you know how unrealistic your stats are because Burnley never score goals!

[half-fast]

Quote: Originally Posted by BL8001

bad_philanthropy, spot on. My feelings as well. Too much of that trapped in animations/momentum for the user and the CPU being completely free from the trappings. That is just all over almost every interaction in the game so it's really not hard to notice, be annoyed about, when it makes itself more obvious than usual. One other thing this game needs desperately is the ball to be free. The World Cup game was miles better about this aspect. I was really hoping that would carry over from WC to FIFA 15. The 15 demo even had more ball freedom than the full game. The cpu rarely plays a lofted ball into space and is overly judicious with their ground through balls so 98% of the cpu passes are to the feet of the cpu player and as the user, if you play one of these "manual" type balls into space the CPU usually needs to take less than 2 steps to retrieve any "loose" ball. FIFA 15 kept that station to station cpu passing feel. It's weird, I don't know why this is, it's not because it's hard to code, because the WC game handled the looser ball just fine, you and the cpu just chased them down from different angles and you would win them sometimes and they would others. Simple this, the WC game felt like you chased the ball around the field trying to control it and move it into strategic areas of the pitch, FIFA feels like if you don't rapidly pass and do 1-2 give and go passes all over the place you aren't playing it right, or at least like the CPU is programmed to play.

I agree with pretty much everything said, especially the need for more free ball play. Everytime the ball gets free via random deflection it seems to go to someones feet, usually the ai's. It woukld be so nice if there was a chase or battle for it ratger than going straight to the cpu. I guess thats one of the ways they level the gameplay.

[gopher_guy]

Quote: Originally Posted by Hutton

Here's my rub with people like you hailing this the "best FIFA ever". Post some detailed reasons why. What does the CPU AI do so well? What exactly does your AI do so well? How about some video's showcasing what you believe is so great? The people who love the game don't follow through with anything concrete about what they like about it, but there have been numerous detailed examples of poor AI along with video evidence to support. All you can provide is a quip about "it's a video game"....that's real insightful mate. Thanks.

I think it's a lot harder for the folks like me, who are really enjoying the game, because it's not like we can really have tangible evidence of why it's fun, because it's just... fun. The hardcore sim crowd have a much easier time with that end of it, because when there is an issue, it's easy to see and record. I am enjoying the hell out of FIFA 15, it's the best FIFA I've ever played. Would I like a totally sim soccer game? You bet I would, in a heartbeat. But that's just not what this game is. I buy this game to have fun.

Disclaimer: I respect the hell out of you hardcore sim guys, because you are the ones breaking your backs with sliders, etc. Makes it easy for me to swoop in and play with Orion or Matt's sliders, which I do feel really improve the game.

However, since you asked... I'll submit my video evidence. (I think I posted this vid earlier in this thread)



This is in my Manager Mode with Spurs, we're up 1-0 late in the game against Chelsea, and Aaron Lennon scores in the 82nd minute to ice the game. The crowd goes nuts, and Lennon rocks back and pumps his fists while he's still on the ground after he's just scored, you can literally see the excitement and relief in his movements after he's scored the goal. And then the crowd starts in with "When the Spurs Go Marching In".

It's moments like those that I think are immensely cool. The game has feeling, it has life. I can overlook some bad AI for stuff like that. Some folks just can't, and that's fine. It's all in what you're looking to get out of the game.

[fearwhatnow]

PC patch is coming soon. Later for consoles.

[Matt10]

Quote: Originally Posted by fearwhatnow

PC patch is coming soon. Later for consoles.

So hesitant on updating the game. Last time I did, the framerate was awesome - but the game sped up beyond belief. I had to uninstall and reinstall to get it looking right again.