Madden NFL 15: The Ten Best QBs

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Quote: Originally Posted by Sheba2011

Brad Childress in 2009 won 14 games (14 is not 13), he is not a good coach. Brian Billick was a very good coach. Peyton Manning took the Colts to the Super Bowl. None of these QB's we are talking about are anything close to Peyton Manning's skill level.

What is it that makes Brian Billick a very good coach and Wade Phillips not? Is Lovie Smith also a much better coach than Wade? What about Bill Callahan? Ken Whisenhunt? Help me find the line between a coach who can get to the super bowl just because of the talent and a coach who's so bad that his team has no shot.

[Sheba2011]

Quote: Originally Posted by bc21045

What is it that makes Brian Billick a very good coach and Wade Phillips not? Is Lovie Smith also a much better coach than Wade? What about Bill Callahan? Ken Whisenhunt? Help me find the line between a coach who can get to the super bowl just because of the talent and a coach who's so bad that his team has no shot.

Like anything else in the NFL its all subjective. In your mind Wade Phillips was a good coach, in my mind he was not. Really no point continuing this argument as we both disagree.

[Dr Death]

Quote: Originally Posted by coogrfan

Umm...because SF's passing game was their only real weakness last year, and both Romo and Rivers are significantly better qb's than Kaep? So much for Romo not being "clutch".

Alright, Coogrfan... let me explain some things here that may help you to understand how I feel and why I feel the way that I feel. Of course you are welcomed to disagree. I know you too well from the NCAA board to get mad at you, just letting you know WHY I feel the way I feel.

You list 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives, and though I'm sure you know the difference, for anyone who doesn't, a 4th quarter comeback is when a team, say Dallas, is trailing in the 4th quarter by any amount of points - can be 20-21 or 14-35 or anything, as long as they are losing - and the QB of, say Dallas, leads his team to a win.

A game-winning drive is when the score is tied, say 17-17, and the QB leads them to a win. Since they were tied, the QB didn't have to bring them from behind, so he gets credit for a game-winning drive. Now that we have that sorted out...

Romo has been in the league since 2004, same as Eli Manning and Big Ben... Romo has 20 4th quarter comebacks - or - 2 per year. Ben has 23 and Eli has 25. Now, since you are a Cougar fan you may also be a Cowboy fan and actually be able to answer this, but as a general question to football fans who don't watch the Cowboys every week, can anybody name me one great 4th quarter comeback led by Romo?

I rather doubt it. Yet we all can name you the times he has totally collapsed in the 4th quarter and particularly in the play-offs.

Now let's look at Eli... I can name two amazing 4th quarter comebacks just off the top of my head, because both were in the Super Bowl and both were against the Patriots. He's also done it in the play-offs as well!!! What does this tell me about Eli? That he's clutch when all the chips are on the table and that he doesn't panic.

Let's face it, some guys want the ball in that situation - trailing with the game on the line - and some don't. Eli does. And he's proven that. Twice in Super Bowls alone. And one of those years - 2007 - he led a 4th quarter comeback in Dallas against Romo. In the play-offs!!!

In the game winning drives department, Romo has 23, so 2.3 per year. Big Ben has 32 and Eli has 30. I'm just giving you a fair comparison of guys who have been in the league the same amount of time.

When I think of clutch QB's in NFL history I think of guys like Kenny Stabler, Roger Staubach, Dan Marino, Joe Montana and John Elway. Those are some of the best, in-the-clutch QB's ever! I never think of Romo in that regard. I do think of Eli in that regard because in the play-offs and Super Bowls he's done it - time and time again! Nobody can take that from him.

For you to claim that Romo is "clutch" with an average of 2 comebacks per season and nobody outside of a die-hard Cowboy fan can think of one amazing 4th quarter moment, that says a lot. Typically when people think of Romo in the 4th period, they think of failure. Why is that? Because his track record backs it up, particularly when in the play-offs!

You can disagree, but your own numbers back it up.

There's another side to QB's that don't show up in the stats... and that is the ability to convert 3rd downs and help his defense out. I didn't watch every play by the Chargers, Cowboys or 49ers last season, but I'd be willing to bet that Kaepernick did more to help his D out than Rivers/Romo combined.

Just something for you to think about.

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Quote: Originally Posted by Dr Death

Alright, Coogrfan... let me explain some things here that may help you to understand how I feel and why I feel the way that I feel. Of course you are welcomed to disagree. I know you too well from the NCAA board to get mad at you, just letting you know WHY I feel the way I feel. You list 4th quarter comebacks and game-winning drives, and though I'm sure you know the difference, for anyone who doesn't, a 4th quarter comeback is when a team, say Dallas, is trailing in the 4th quarter by any amount of points - can be 20-21 or 14-35 or anything, as long as they are losing - and the QB of, say Dallas, leads his team to a win. A game-winning drive is when the score is tied, say 17-17, and the QB leads them to a win. Since they were tied, the QB didn't have to bring them from behind, so he gets credit for a game-winning drive. Now that we have that sorted out... Romo has been in the league since 2004, same as Eli Manning and Big Ben... Romo has 20 4th quarter comebacks - or - 2 per year. Ben has 23 and Eli has 25. Now, since you are a Cougar fan you may also be a Cowboy fan and actually be able to answer this, but as a general question to football fans who don't watch the Cowboys every week, can anybody name me one great 4th quarter comeback led by Romo? I rather doubt it. Yet we all can name you the times he has totally collapsed in the 4th quarter and particularly in the play-offs. Now let's look at Eli... I can name two amazing 4th quarter comebacks just off the top of my head, because both were in the Super Bowl and both were against the Patriots. He's also done it in the play-offs as well!!! What does this tell me about Eli? That he's clutch when all the chips are on the table and that he doesn't panic. Let's face it, some guys want the ball in that situation - trailing with the game on the line - and some don't. Eli does. And he's proven that. Twice in Super Bowls alone. And one of those years - 2007 - he led a 4th quarter comeback in Dallas against Romo. In the play-offs!!! In the game winning drives department, Romo has 23, so 2.3 per year. Big Ben has 32 and Eli has 30. I'm just giving you a fair comparison of guys who have been in the league the same amount of time. When I think of clutch QB's in NFL history I think of guys like Kenny Stabler, Roger Staubach, Dan Marino, Joe Montana and John Elway. Those are some of the best, in-the-clutch QB's ever! I never think of Romo in that regard. I do think of Eli in that regard because in the play-offs and Super Bowls he's done it - time and time again! Nobody can take that from him. For you to claim that Romo is "clutch" with an average of 2 comebacks per season and nobody outside of a die-hard Cowboy fan can think of one amazing 4th quarter moment, that says a lot. Typically when people think of Romo in the 4th period, they think of failure. Why is that? Because his track record backs it up, particularly when in the play-offs! You can disagree, but your own numbers back it up. There's another side to QB's that don't show up in the stats... and that is the ability to convert 3rd downs and help his defense out. I didn't watch every play by the Chargers, Cowboys or 49ers last season, but I'd be willing to bet that Kaepernick did more to help his D out than Rivers/Romo combined. Just something for you to think about.

What are YOU talking about Dr Death? Colin Kaepernick has the lowest 4th quarter QB rating among all NFL starters at 41.3 with out counting all his fumbles.

The kid is not bad, he is young, he is strong, he is fast. He can throw to Davis with the same play action, since every body is trying to stop the run. But we are talking about good QB´s not RB´s.

[claustin]

Quote: Originally Posted by DChero

To go the other way with the discussion, does anyone think that the reason for Wilson and Brady both having 93 overalls isn't so much Wilson being the Super Bowl winner, but Brady having a down year? Are we accepting that Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers are THAT much better than Brady at this point in time?

Russell being 93 overall has everything to do with him being a SB winner. He's not a 93 overall QB. He should be down there hovering around 90 with Kap. Brady is getting JOBBED. He had a down year because he had absolute dog **** to work with and he STILL dragged them into the playoffs. IMO Brady is still top 4 with Peyton, Rogers, and Brees.

Quote: Originally Posted by 9erFan4Life

Romo and Rivers both better then Kaepernick? A quarterback that has gotten to the last three NFC title games and he's the 10th best QB in the league. BS

Eh I don't have a problem with this. Kap didn't get the Niners that far on his own. He really killed us with those 2 (almost 3) second half interceptions in the NFCCG after being the entire offense in the first half. He's got improving to do. Both Romo and Rivers had great seasons last year. Romo is unfairly penalized for having garbage coaching and underperforming teammates. I don't know how a QB who throws for 500+ yards and 5 touchdowns gets more blame for one mistake (even a game sealing one) than his garbage defense does for giving up 600+ yards of offense. If anything, Romo should be rated higher. This coming from a Niner fan and Dallas *****.

Edit: Why did it censor H A T E R?

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Quote: Originally Posted by Sheba2011

Peyton Manning had 6 int's in a game once. The following QB's also had 5: Dan Marino Fran Tarkenton Dan Fouts Troy Aikman Kurt Warner Brett Favre Terry Bradshaw Some of these guys never led their team to a SB but they are still considered all time great QB's. Romo for some reason is held to a much higher standard. No one likes to point out that he has had some of the worst defenses and O lines in NFL history or that he is 9th in game winning drives (3 less than Brees) among active QB's and 6th in comebacks.

People also forget Romo lead the Cowboys to a victory over the bills after throwing 5 pics and a lost fumble.

This was one of his most memorable performances. I like the fact that he is a fighter and never gives up. Hate him or like him he gives you everything hes got.

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