FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

So your data says Clowney deserves a higher regular catch rating than Steve Smith? What is that based on? Has Clowney ever even caught a ball in a game? No, he has not.

So it only counts if it happens in a game? If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is present to hear it, does it still make a sound?

http://espn.go.com/college-football/...ks-spring-game


Scouts see more than what you see on TV

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

According to this, the guy will drop probably at least 30% of his targets in gameplay, not be able to block literally anyone, fumble way too often, among other issues. The guy is an NFL football player, and like I said earlier, the highest drop rate in the league was 15% last year on guys with 30 targets or more. Did your data tell you he is a better man defender than zone?

So now it is a given that because he is on a training camp roster that he is of the same caliber of a player who makes the 45 man game-day active list, is in a position on the depth chart high enough to get playing time, and had at least enough opportunities to catch passes that we can measure his drop rate?

I am going to let you in on a secret. Not everyone that makes an NFL camp is worthy of making the minimum requirements for acquiring such a stat that you quote here.

And yes, the data did say that he is better at MCV than ZCV based on his projection for a position that would require it - with a confidence level of 99%.

[michiganfan8620]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

So it only counts if it happens in a game? If a tree falls in a forest and nobody is present to hear it, does it still make a sound? http://espn.go.com/college-football/...ks-spring-game Scouts see more than what you see on TV

Clowney ran off the sideline in a pair of shorts mid play in a scrimmage (when he wasn't even playing in the game), and caught one pass? That equals 836 nfl receptions I guess according to you I guess.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

Clowney ran off the sideline in a pair of shorts mid play in a scrimmage (when he wasn't even playing in the game), and caught one pass? That equals 836 nfl receptions I guess according to you I guess.

Ability does not equate to production. Terrell Owens has a ton of ability at nearly 40 years of age. How many catches did he have last year?

Your CTH rating does not equal how many receptions you have in your career...unless you are EA Sports...then maybe it does....but we all know how we feel about their logic.

[michiganfan8620]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

So now you are saying that in order to be tied for being the best player in the league - a league dominated by the forward pass and high passing numbers - you need to have an MVP or DPY on your mantle? Use my example and go into the game. Cover a WR with a CB who has a 99 MCV and 99 AGI and see how well he covers. Now do it with a CB who has a 99 MCV and 0 AGI. If the only thing that matters is the MCV rating, then the results will be the same and a lesser WR should be blanketed by both players right? Just try it out and let me know what you find. You are also assuming, incorrectly I will add, that the ratio of AGI to JKM is the same on the overall effectiveness of utilizing a JKM. They are NOT equal. AGI plays a lot larger role than you realize. Do this test: Take a player with 99 JKM and 99 AGI and try to juke a defender. Now take a player with 99 JKM and 96 AGI and try to juke a defender. Then inverse the JKM and AGI ratings for two more tests. Let me know what you find. Let's see if one is more valuable than the other. Something tells me that one outweighs the other...but what would I know? I just make this stuff up as I go, right?

If he's 8 OVR above any other guy on defense, yes, he should have a DPOY. But he doesn't. Hmm that's odd, isn't it? Maybe Hali isn't better than every other defensive player by a landslide. And i know AGI impacts things, but still. Clowney shouldn't be better at breaking on a ball than a CB like Haden. Fitzgerald shouldn't be close to McCoy at juking either. And if juke means nothing, why give Fitz a 99 then?

[michiganfan8620]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Ability does not equate to production. Terrell Owens has a ton of ability at nearly 40 years of age. How many catches did he have last year? Your CTH rating does not equal how many receptions you have in your career...unless you are EA Sports...then maybe it does....but we all know how we feel about their logic.

No it doesn't. However, a guy who caught 836 passes is going to be better at catching than some guy who has caught 0 and is not a WR. Steve Smith is a professional pass catcher. Clowney is not. What has Clowney done to warrant a 74 catch? Caught the ball? Of wait, he hasn't. You are the one making things up not using data on that.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by michiganfan8620

If he's 8 OVR above any other guy on defense, yes, he should have a DPOY. But he doesn't. Hmm that's odd, isn't it? Maybe Hali isn't better than every other defensive player by a landslide. And i know AGI impacts things, but still. Clowney shouldn't be better at breaking on a ball than a CB like Haden. Fitzgerald shouldn't be close to McCoy at juking either. And if juke means nothing, why give Fitz a 99 then?

Stating that he should have the DPOY award is your opinion, not a fact. That award often goes along with defensive production, not ability. Once again, production is not the same thing as ability. Madden rates players based on their abilities (attributes) not production (stats).

And, Clowney won't be better in coverage. Try it in a game. Compare their other attributes like AGI and ACC, both of which control the ability to break on a ball along with the MCV/ZCV ratings...which all work symbiotically.

Fitz has a 99 JKM rating because the data says he does when paired with his other attributes, just the same as it does for any other player...holistically.

[Hooe]

I'm going to repeat myself from 100 posts ago:

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

Okay guys, it's clear there's an irreconcilable disagreement here. Drop it and move on from this discussion. Thanks.

Once again, guys: let's move on.