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[FBall Life]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

And the game with the best Metacritic score of all of these is FIFA 14. Disc footprint doesn't correlate to the quality of a game. A game's quality isn't defined by how much "stuff" it has.

Quote: Originally Posted by SmashMan

This is really the basis for the argument?

The argument isn't about quality. It's about effort.

[mestevo]

Quote: Originally Posted by FBall Life

The argument isn't about quality. It's about effort.

Effort? Really? Quality or reviews don't matter? Quite the corner you've painted yourself into.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by FBall Life

The argument isn't about quality. It's about effort.

Tiburon could easily fill the remaining free disc space of the 50GB Blu-Ray with NFL Films footage. The game would have a larger disc footprint than any game you listed then. Would this really be emblematic of more effort? I would say "absolutely not". By your argument however, it is. It's a nonsensical position.

More disc space filled is not emblematic of effort or quality.

[SmashMan]

Quote: Originally Posted by FBall Life

The argument isn't about quality. It's about effort.

Nope, you pretty clearly framed the argument as install size above all else.

And we're on the verge of derailing the thread early on, so I'm going to back out of this one now.

[A_Quiet_Pro]

Quote: Originally Posted by SmashMan

Nope, you pretty clearly framed the argument as install size above all else. And we're on the verge of derailing the thread early on, so I'm going to back out of this one now.

Good call man, because this wasn't even a thread to start an argument with. If it gets closed because people wanna be dumb, I'm gonna be pissed. lol.

[FBall Life]

Quote: Originally Posted by mestevo

Effort? Really? Quality or reviews don't matter? Quite the corner you've painted yourself into.

Corner? Huh? The argument I was making was that EA doesn't put as much effort into their games, as evidenced when you compare disc space against other sports games.

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

Tiburon could easily fill the remaining free disc space of the 50GB Blu-Ray with NFL Films footage. The game would have a larger disc footprint than any game you listed then. Would this really be emblematic of more effort? I would say "absolutely not". By your argument however, it is. It's a nonsensical position. More disc space filled is not emblematic of effort or quality.

Your point doesn't work here. NBA 2K14 and MLB The Show 14 aren't filled to the brim with video content. They're full of tons of animations, great commentary, textures, etc.

Quote: Originally Posted by SmashMan

Nope, you pretty clearly framed the argument as install size above all else. And we're on the verge of derailing the thread early on, so I'm going to back out of this one now.

You're right, that is the crux of my point. They could have used all that extra space just sitting there and they didn't. More textures? More commentary recordings? More alternate jerseys? More crowd models? More...anything? Nah, we're good.

Other sports games utilized a lot more of that space at their disposal. Only the EA Sports games sit at under 20GBs.

[Hooe]

Quote: Originally Posted by FBall Life

Your point doesn't work here. NBA 2K14 and MLB The Show 14 aren't filled to the brim with video content. They're full of tons of animations, great commentary, textures, etc.

And the smaller game, FIFA, still was seen better critically than either NBA 2K or The Show.

What we're left with is one of two things: either making great video games does not require great effort from the developer (because FIFA reviewed great and was a smaller game) or the size of a game doesn't have any bearing to the effort put into it and the quality of the final product. Drawing from my first hand experience working at an independent video game studio and making video games in clubs and on my own for the past decade or so, along with the fact that great games developed years which fit on megabyte cartridges are still great today by virtue of great game mechanics, I can tell you that the first of those two assertions is absolutely false.

[A_Quiet_Pro]

Quote: Originally Posted by CM Hooe

And the smaller game, FIFA, still was seen better critically than either NBA 2K or The Show. What we're left with is one of two things: either making great video games does not require great effort from the developer (because FIFA reviewed great and was a smaller game) or the size of a game doesn't have any bearing to the effort put into it and the quality of the final product. Drawing from my first hand experience working at an independent video game studio and making video games in clubs and on my own for the past decade or so, along with the fact that great games developed years which fit on megabyte cartridges are still great today by virtue of great game mechanics, I can tell you that the first of those two assertions is absolutely false.

The size of the game doesn't matter. It's how it plays.