NHL 15 Screenshots - American Airlines Center & Rogers Arena

[bwiggy33]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpectralThundr

Wasn't having a hissy, it's just pretty ridiculous to see all the spew at EA when it's something they can't fix. They didn't design the hardware. I missed that question, they're likely still using the old crowd assets for the last gen skus I've no doubt. Replay mode is still IN game, IN engine, and they want to keep a consistent frame rate. That's really all there is to it, and they're not the only studio that has to make those concessions. Forza for example doesn't even run at 60 fps because the Xbone just can handle the visuals and the speed of a racing game smoothly at 60fps so it's locked at 30 instead. You should be mad at Sony and MS for this, not EA. Your anger is misguided.

Who in the hell is blaming EA as a company for for all this stuff you speak of? Don't make this a company thing. Nobody is calling out EA as a company. People are talking about the questionable developer decisions they have made. I just don't get why you continue to bring up the constant hating on EA as a company to this forum. I don't think a damn person on this website cares who makes an NHL game (or any other game) as long as it's good. The reason why it may seem people hate on EA is because obviously people are unsatisfied with their games. If they didn't make so many lack luster games and weren't the only sports video game company it would be a completely different story. That hate or praise would be spread throughout numerous NHL games not just EA's version. Nobody else is making a hockey game so what other NHL games should people go and "bash?" One from 4 years ago that got plenty of it then and still gets some of it now whenever the game is brought up on this forum? I just don't get where you have this idea that people hold grudges on EA. You talk like we all want EA to fail at everything they do. If EA fails we will basically only have The Show and NBA 2k left. I doubt too many people want that. Then again though I'm probably wrong just like everyone else on this forum who brings up something wrong with the game.

[SpectralThundr]

Quote: Originally Posted by bwiggy33

Who in the hell is blaming EA as a company for for all this stuff you speak of? Don't make this a company thing. Nobody is calling out EA as a company. People are talking about the questionable developer decisions they have made. I just don't get why you continue to bring up the constant hating on EA as a company to this forum. I don't think a damn person on this website cares who makes an NHL game (or any other game) as long as it's good. The reason why it may seem people hate on EA is because obviously people are unsatisfied with their games. If they didn't make so many lack luster games and weren't the only sports video game company it would be a completely different story. That hate or praise would be spread throughout numerous NHL games not just EA's version. Nobody else is making a hockey game so what other NHL games should people go and "bash?" One from 4 years ago that got plenty of it then and still gets some of it now whenever the game is brought up on this forum? I just don't get where you have this idea that people hold grudges on EA. You talk like we all want EA to fail at everything they do. If EA fails we will basically only have The Show and NBA 2k left. I doubt too many people want that. Then again though I'm probably wrong just like everyone else on this forum who brings up something wrong with the game.

Um I'm not the one bitching about the upper bowls being too dark over and over and over. I mean hell bwiggy, I think the better question is what won't people nitpick about in an EA game?

Complaining about the lack of neutral zone pressure is one thing, that's gameplay, and a valid as hell complaint. Complaining that the lighting is too dark every time they release a new arena shot? Take it up with MS and Sony.

Or my personal favorite so far, the fabric of the numbers should be different than the jersey itself

[bwiggy33]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpectralThundr

Um I'm not the one bitching about the upper bowls being too dark over and over and over. I mean hell bwiggy, I think the better question is what won't people nitpick about in an EA game? Complaining about the lack of neutral zone pressure is one thing, that's gameplay, and a valid as hell complaint. Complaining that the lighting is too dark every time they release a new arena shot? Take it up with MS and Sony. Or my personal favorite so far, the fabric of the numbers should be different than the jersey itself

What does any of this have to do with my post? I asked why you continue to make it out to be that everyone has some grudge on EA and just hates on EA for everything that they do. You continuously make people complaining to be a shot at EA the company, when really it's a comment/suggestion/concern for the devs. Also we all know your stance on nitpicking. You've explained it in just about every thread on here where you draw the line of nitpicks and the real changes that need to be made. However, you continuously belittle the things that people mention that are important to them. I don't get why you can't just let people have their opinion and leave it at that. You respond to every little thing you don't like and go on and on about the technology of the systems. You said you hate all the complaining on here, well you're adding to it by responding to just about everything.

[bigwill33]

Quote: Originally Posted by bwiggy33

What does any of this have to do with my post? I asked why you continue to make it out to be that everyone has some grudge on EA and just hates on EA for everything that they do. You continuously make people complaining to be a shot at EA the company, when really it's a comment/suggestion/concern for the devs. Also we all know your stance on nitpicking. You've explained it in just about every thread on here where you draw the line of nitpicks and the real changes that need to be made. However, you continuously belittle the things that people mention that are important to them. I don't get why you can't just let people have their opinion and leave it at that. You respond to every little thing you don't like and go on and on about the technology of the systems. You said you hate all the complaining on here, well you're adding to it by responding to just about everything.

Let him go, man. He obviously has his own agenda and cannot see things any other way. He riled me up the one day as well. It is not worth it. My biggest fear was that people come here and take his word as gospel because that is all they see as he pedals it in every other post, but all he is spewing is conjecture and speculation. But I realized that if people do that then they are not worth trying to educate or point out things to in the first place.

I will continue to post my true feelings and observations on the series. I will do so in a blunt and straight forward manner with the beliefs that the developers from any gaming company are trying to do their best and what is right for the game and consumer. When I post these short comings it is in the hopes to raise awareness and to fix the issues plaguing our beloved sports games. Not to pile on or nag. And when I point out that it is too dark in a screenshot that a company is touting as authentic (when that is the only thing we have to go off as far as media from said company) then it is nothing more than stating my opinion. And when it gets fixed in a year or two I can sit back and say "hey, I am glad I said something as it looks much better now."

In the interim it is probably just best to ignore people like this as arguing with them will get you nowhere. Because even when you do state valid arguments with data and examples to back it up they ignore it all anyway, so just return the favor and ignore them altogether. You will be a much happier person in the long run.

[SpectralThundr]

Quote: Originally Posted by bigwill33

Let him go, man. He obviously has his own agenda and cannot see things any other way. He riled me up the one day as well. It is not worth it. My biggest fear was that people come here and take his word as gospel because that is all they see as he pedals it in every other post, but all he is spewing is conjecture and speculation. But I realized that if people do that then they are not worth trying to educate or point out things to in the first place. I will continue to post my true feelings and observations on the series. I will do so in a blunt and straight forward manner with the beliefs that the developers from any gaming company are trying to do their best and what is right for the game and consumer. When I post these short comings it is in the hopes to raise awareness and to fix the issues plaguing our beloved sports games. Not to pile on or nag. And when I point out that it is too dark in a screenshot that a company is touting as authentic (when that is the only thing we have to go off as far as media from said company) then it is nothing more than stating my opinion. And when it gets fixed in a year or two I can sit back and say "hey, I am glad I said something as it looks much better now." In the interim it is probably just best to ignore people like this as arguing with them will get you nowhere. Because even when you do state valid arguments with data and examples to back it up they ignore it all anyway, so just return the favor and ignore them altogether. You will be a much happier person in the long run.

Actually I am all for criticism about gameplay, like neutral zone pressure and AI in general, its the total nitpicky stuff that people like to focus on that drives me crazy when they don't hold the same standard to other publishers.

[bwiggy33]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpectralThundr

Actually I am all for criticism about gameplay, like neutral zone pressure and AI in general, its the total nitpicky stuff that people like to focus on that drives me crazy when they don't hold the same standard to other publishers.

They don't? I must be seeing things then because I can go on The Show forum and see people asking for better/realistic looking uniforms and other suggestions as well. You can also go on there and see people mentioning that the OF lighting in some stadiums were too dark. Guess what? The Show devs fixed that in a patch released today. I've barely played much of NBA 2k but I have been on those forums and some of the same things that are supposed "nitpicks" are said in that forum as well. That's not even mentioning the people who went balistic on 2k for their Next Gen effort. So there you have it, two non EA publishers and people are asking for the same things or getting angry at them for making poor decisions. The thing is though, those developers seem to add or fix those "nitpicks" where as EA has supposed bigger and better things to do. You should probably look on those forums before making a statement like people not holding other publishers to the same standard as EA. That's just flat out ludicrous. The only thing people want is a solid product. They couldn't care a less who it comes from, just as long as it's good.

[SpectralThundr]

Quote: Originally Posted by bwiggy33

They don't? I must be seeing things then because I can go on The Show forum and see people asking for better/realistic looking uniforms and other suggestions as well. You can also go on there and see people mentioning that the OF lighting in some stadiums were too dark. Guess what? The Show devs fixed that in a patch released today. I've barely played much of NBA 2k but I have been on those forums and some of the same things that are supposed "nitpicks" are said in that forum as well. That's not even mentioning the people who went balistic on 2k for their Next Gen effort. So there you have it, two non EA publishers and people are asking for the same things or getting angry at them for making poor decisions. The thing is though, those developers seem to add or fix those "nitpicks" where as EA has supposed bigger and better things to do. You should probably look on those forums before making a statement like people not holding other publishers to the same standard as EA. That's just flat out ludicrous. The only thing people want is a solid product. They couldn't care a less who it comes from, just as long as it's good.

They have a solid product with NHL, just because there's a handful of very vocal folks who every year like clockwork will tear it to shreds doesn't make those few very vocal folks correct.

I groan at those nitpicks in the Show forum as well as that game despite it's obvious comeback logic is top notch in virtual every area with the exception of it's terrible online play year in year out.

[Madwolf]

I think NHL is a pretty good game. It has some problems, but I don't think it detracts too much from the overall game.

The upper lighting in the arenas, and the people in the upper deck mean very little to me. As long as the arenas look as close to real is possible is all I care about.