Madden NFL 15: Five Tips To Be Better This Fall

[NicVirtue]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

y'all want perfection

No. We want excellence. There's a difference. It is achievable, has been achieved before, and this long 10 year skip down the Yellow Brick Road has taken us far away from anything remotely close to the word excellence. We all know games will never be perfect. That's the beast of technology. But we all want an excellent football game that makes us forget about the rest.

[OhMrHanky]

Quote: Originally Posted by MrPinkBlackrose

"Identify your identity" ....smh

'Madden offers 2 options, running and passing.' Really? Well, I guess this is a football game, right? So, I would hope u could run and pass. Lol.


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[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I hear you Bezo but I still don't see how the game not being fundamentally sound/fixed is the gamers fault. Tiburon keeps claiming to be attempting to create a NFL simulation video game, so that design and implementation onus is their's, not our's.

Fault is not the word I would use. There's no one definition for simulation. I think EA is attempting to deliver their version, and it's in line with what most are asking for.

Let's see what happens with the audibles next year. Will they nerf them for the sake of balance, or will they address the football issues. And count how many folks were asking for balance vs those asking for football.

And folks that buy the game support the effort. Again, fault is not the word I would use, but supporting one thing and expecting another is at least odd.

[Big FN Deal]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

Fault is not the word I would use. There's no one definition for simulation. I think EA is attempting to deliver their version, and it's in line with what most are asking for. Let's see what happens with the audibles next year. Will they nerf them for the sake of balance, or will they address the football issues. And count how many folks were asking for balance vs those asking for football. And folks that buy the game support the effort. Again, fault is not the word I would use, but supporting one thing and expecting another is at least odd.

I would agree with you in general but just not with Madden, you know this exclusive game/situation is a whole other animal. Again, yes, technically anyone buying the game and settling for less is supporting it but if they didn't, it would not matter, imo. If this entire website were committed to asking for core fixes instead of bandaids and didn't buy the game until that happened, Tiburon would just tune us out and focus on their core consumers. Again, the reason I say this is that the vast majority of vocal Madden gamers are in agreement on realistic presentation and player management/franchise elements, yet Tiburon continues to half step those.

I'm just a little surprised to hear this coming from you considering you have actually been to Tiburon and experienced their MO first hand. There have been posts from EAGCs stating that if Tiburon says they won't/can't do a core fix for x, then continuing to harp on it is considered nonconstructive and no need for you to be invited back, ie they tune you out.

Guess we could go on and on but what you see as Tiburon giving gamers the bandaids they are asking for, I see as people just trying to get whatever they can, under the circumstances.

[BezO]

Quote: Originally Posted by Big FN Deal

I would agree with you in general but just not with Madden, you know this exclusive game/situation is a whole other animal. Again, yes, technically anyone buying the game and settling for less is supporting it but if they didn't, it would not matter, imo. If this entire website were committed to asking for core fixes instead of bandaids and didn't buy the game until that happened, Tiburon would just tune us out and focus on their core consumers. Again, the reason I say this is that the vast majority of vocal Madden gamers are in agreement on realistic presentation and player management/franchise elements, yet Tiburon continues to half step those. I'm just a little surprised to hear this coming from you considering you have actually been to Tiburon and experienced their MO first hand. There have been posts from EAGCs stating that if Tiburon says they won't/can't do a core fix for x, then continuing to harp on it is considered nonconstructive and no need for you to be invited back, ie they tune you out. Guess we could go on and on but what you see as Tiburon giving gamers the bandaids they are asking for, I see as people just trying to get whatever they can, under the circumstances.

They pay for the exclusive rights with that $60 though. Folks don't like the deal, don't like the game, but fund both. I get folks need their fix, but personally, I had to stay out of the cycle. Supporting a sub par game is not conducive to getting a better one IMO. Neither is choosing from the small pool of available peripheral improvements. I'm trying not to get too far off topic, but imagine this concept in any other aspect of life.

But I also don't believe we are that small of a group. I don't know about you, but I reperesent at least 6 or 7 friends of mine. They don't post on sites, but they feel exactly like I do. And I'm sure there are plenty more that are not represented here. How many current & former highschool & college athletes play this game, wishing it were more realistic?

They did stop inviting me to CDs, so maybe there's some validity to the tune out. But they are adamant about producing a simulation. Who are they talking too? Where do they get their feedback from? If everyone here stuck to glabal improvements over peripheral ones, who would they invite to these events? Who would they rely on for free marketing?

I get that not everyone they communicate with is from OS or are OS types, but it has to start from somewhere. I remember when even constructive criticism of Madden wasn't cool around here. Everytime I said something negative, folks would shoo me away. "Why are you here then?" Then folks started getting invited to CDs.

[Cre8]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

I remember when even constructive criticism of Madden wasn't cool around here. Everytime I said something negative, folks would shoo me away. "Why are you here then?" Then folks started getting invited to CDs.

I have noticed over the last few years that many of the vocal Madden supporters on here have been given 'leadership' positions on OS as well. When Ian was on here during Madden 10 I felt like we were finally going to see some much needed changes.

A few years later the game and the community seem to have reverted. I check in here occasionally, but it is hard for me to take anything here with more than a grain of salt.

The video that started this thread really made me look at Madden for what it is... and what it isn't. I feel like my eyes are open now.

[N51_rob]

Quote: Originally Posted by Cre8

I have noticed over the last few years that many of the vocal Madden supporters on here have been given 'leadership' positions on OS as well. When Ian was on here during Madden 10 I felt like we were finally going to see some much needed changes.

Really?!?!? The last four moderators to be assigned have been myself, Heartstopper, NDAlum and CMHooe. None of us strike me as ardent Madden supporters. I know that you can search my post history here and see that I have been critical of numerous game play aspects that don't work and you will also see that I personally banned one of the biggest madden supporters on this site last year. Not sure what you are trying to say with this part but I think it is highly misleading.

[kehlis]

Quote: Originally Posted by N51_rob

Really?!?!? The last four moderators to be assigned have been myself, Heartstopper, NDAlum and CMHooe. None of us strike me as ardent Madden supporters. I know that you can search my post history here and see that I have been critical of numerous game play aspects that don't work and you will also see that I personally banned one of the biggest madden supporters on this site last year. Not sure what you are trying to say with this part but I think it is highly misleading.

Mill would like you to step into his office first thing tomorrow morning when you arrive to discuss an HR related matter please....