NHL 15: E3 Trailer and Details - Release Date Set For September 9th

[habslover10_GoYanks]

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[Moose24x]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpectralThundr

No offense meant but this is the type of stuff that drives me crazy in the complaint department, Does Kane not look like Kane because there isn't as many wrinkles in his baby face? Do people honestly expect EA or any other developer for that matter to rebuild every player's face from scratch every couple years? How cost effective do you think that would be? Same with equipment, or goalie helmets, who EA would need to get artists permission from to use authentic masks or risk getting sued by the mask creators themselves. There's a ton of legal quagmire there that I don't think people take the time to really think about. When you're playing the game from an over head perspective are you really worried about if a player is wearing a Bauer helmet or a CCM helmet? Is it honestly that critical to your enjoyment of the game?

Yes. I'm sorry that it's not for you. Don't judge the way that I derive enjoyment from the game. I'm not going to do that to you. Yes, I play one game mode, all year, and that's GM. When I take a team I want it to be as close to watching their games on TV. I don't mind EA not getting all he equipment correct; before I start a GM I use recent on-ice photos and edit every player's equipment to be as close as possible. I don't mind having to do that. I mind not having the option to equip the correct helmet when it is LITERALLY the most used helmet in the NHL. I don't bat an eyelash and get upset when a helmet is missing that only 4-5 players wear. I just choose something else and try to get close. I get bummed when the list of SUPERSTARS who all wear the same helmet don't have that one helmet available because it's very distinct and takes away from the immersion and enjoyment of watching my team warmup, between whistle cuts and goal celebrations. I'm talking about one helmet that's worn by Toews, Stamkos, Malkin, Getzlaf, Seabrook, McDonagh, Nash, Gaborik and plenty more top profile NHLers. It should be there, plain and simple. They've had Toews and Stamkos as cover boys recently without either one being able to look accurate in game. It's a piece of equipment that is so widely used there really isn't an excuse. It used to be in the game but they removed it citing "memory limitations on how much gear is available" and instead left in the old Jofa, the other old helmet and the generic helmet with a cage. Because those are much more important to "unprecedented player likeness" and "if it's in the game, it's in the game".

As for scans? Yep, I expect them to be updated eventually as well. For players as prominent as Patrick Kane, yes. Like I said, they've changed Ovechkin's face three times. Superstar played should look as real as possible. Every year they should ensure that the top 5-6 players on each team, at minimum, are relatively up to date and authentic. It's 2015 and it's the dawn of next generation consoles. Yeah, I expect more equipment options and for them to actually LOOK at what players are wearing before creating that list of options, and I expect them to do all-new scans for the higher quality next gen consoles. I don't think scans from 2007 and 2008 should be used for NHL 2015 on PS4. Otherwise, don't talk about player likeness as one of your selling points.

[SpectralThundr]

Like I said I meant no offense, but expecting them to update faces yearly just isn't going to happen. That's a pretty unrealistic expectation, star players or not. To each their own obviously, and like you I only play GM mode but to be honest I could care less about player equipment being the right helmet or stick or not. Things like that are the equivalent to those that complain about shoe color being off in NBA2k, ie not critical to gameplay or overall make or break.

To each their own however.

[murph17]

EA posted the video to YouTube. Release date 9/9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jEgFzpsPMA

[Moose24x]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpectralThundr

Like I said I meant no offense, but expecting them to update faces yearly just isn't going to happen. That's a pretty unrealistic expectation, star players or not. To each their own obviously, and like you I only play GM mode but to be honest I could care less about player equipment being the right helmet or stick or not. Things like that are the equivalent to those that complain about shoe color being off in NBA2k, ie not critical to gameplay or overall make or break. To each their own however.

Where did I say yearly though? I said they should update the faces that are from 2007. That's closer to by-decade than yearly. It's not unreasonable. You just don't agree with my overall complaint so you're twisting my words into something I never said. Gameplay is clearly chief, but to me, immersion is an easy #2 on the priority list. After gameplay, my number one concern is in believing the illusion and feeling like it's as authentic as possible. That's why those details become important for me. And like I said, I don't mind doing the work myself each year to edit equipment. But certain equipment has to be there. The 4500 has been something people have asked for every year since they removed it. I'm not picking some obscure, random piece of gear that is important to me only. I'm talking about the fact that they removed the most widely used hockey helmet in the world and fans have been asking for it back since the day it happened, yet they continue to leave it out. I'm not complaining about "Wahh, they have the Easton ABC and ZYX stick but they left out the EFG!!!" I'm talking about a helmet that people ask for every year. It never changes. Unlike the skates and sticks and things that get updated every year, if they would just put this damn helmet back in the game, they could leave it year after year and not have to change it. It simply should be there. It's too prominent not to be. Like I said, it's been on the cover of the last two games.

Also, with the use of a database editor that someone was able to develop for last gen, it was discovered that a wealth of old gear is still ON the game disc (thus still taking up memory) but EA just mysteriously makes it unselectable for some reason. This includes the 4500 helmet. It's there. They just don't make it an option. So it doesn't even require work on their behalf. It's in the game. They just hide it. Last year, you could edit your database and assign it to players, but you couldn't add a visor since it wasn't technically available. It's even more frustrating that the helmet already exists in the game's DNA. There's just no real reason for it being left out.

And as if you hadn't heard enough of my complaints (I get it, aesthetic is of no value to you. The players could all just have generic faces and the same stick and gloves and helmet, as long as the gameplay was solid) check out Ovechkin's skates in the part where he scores. 2015 and you still can't flop the tongue of the skates. It's just funny to me that so many of these guys claim to play hockey and be avid hockey fans, but they come up with three options for skates back in 2007 (back tuck, front tuck, full tuck) and decide those are the most accurate options possible and will never reassess, add to or change them, over 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015. I can put on my skates right now and flop the tongue like Ovechkin does and I've never worn mine that way. The collective hockey fandom at EA apparently thinks more people wear their tongues the way they've designed than the way the most prominent players in hockey do. I know I'm nitpicking, but after all their talk about player likeness and about equipment finally being three separate layers, I just thought they'd have these things looking realistic for once. Very little in that video struck me as "three distinct layers of player, gear, jersey". It all looks like the same static player models and canned animations. If you played 2014 I don't really know how you can be excited about anything but the arenas and commentary based on this video, really. Might be some nicely polished cut scenes on next gen, but if you don't care about equipment and player likeness, why would cut scenes be of any importance either?

Sorry to be a buzzkill, but it just seems like the same old, after getting fairly excited about the promises of increased player likeness, independent gear layers, etc. I was expecting the jump to next gen to seem a little more significant. At this point, the only thing I'm excited about is the arenas.

[Diehardfan]

Quote: Originally Posted by SpectralThundr

No offense meant but this is the type of stuff that drives me crazy in the complaint department, Does Kane not look like Kane because there isn't as many wrinkles in his baby face? Do people honestly expect EA or any other developer for that matter to rebuild every player's face from scratch every couple years? How cost effective do you think that would be? Same with equipment, or goalie helmets, who EA would need to get artists permission from to use authentic masks or risk getting sued by the mask creators themselves. There's a ton of legal quagmire there that I don't think people take the time to really think about. When you're playing the game from an over head perspective are you really worried about if a player is wearing a Bauer helmet or a CCM helmet? Is it honestly that critical to your enjoyment of the game?

Great post...echos what I have been saying for years. The only time you see a face, helmet, mask or a stick is when you're NOT playing. Who plays the game at an ice level where you can see this stuff anyway? Sorry to all the kiddies who need this sort of thing but let them invest their time in AI, gameplay and puck physics. The only thing I'm interested in other than that is the announcing team, which they finally upgraded. For the first time in years this will feel like a new game. Well, at least it'll sound like one.

[HenryClay1844]

Quote: Originally Posted by johnnyg713

If you're not excited after watching that, idk why you even play video games. I'm sorry that looked awesome

This comment has much truth. I can pick out what is still to be worked on, but if all you do is complain, then you should get a new hobby, you will never be happy.

[ajblithe20]

This is definitely my most highly anticipated game this fall. Even if the gameplay is improved enough, I'll still have a great time. I'd like to play Be a GM with my Flyers, but if it's still too boring to play against the CPU I can play online for hours. Hopefully the graphics do look "Next-gen" in the final product. The addition of that plus Emrick is enough to get me to buy this. Can't wait