Sound Off: Why Does America Hate the Heat?

[ojandpizza]

That's my bad on that then. I thought they both wanted out.


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[vtcha]

Quote: Originally Posted by ex carrabba fan

To defend the Cavs to an extent, It's not James' fault his team wasn't blessed with a game-changing trade or All-Star draft prospect. Most title teams have been fortunate enough to have things fall into place. The Cavs never did, a lot had to do with their incompetence but they really didn't get any luck at all.

Adding to this, the Cavs over-achieved too early, mainly because of LeBron- not his fault. They only had 1 lottery pick throughout the 7 years, which turned out to be a bust (#10 pick in 2004 - Luke Jackson). Had the Cavs sucked for a few more years they could have went through the OKC route and built the franchise from the ground up. On a side note, I'm looking through OKC's draft history and wow, didn't realize they drafted Eric Bledsoe.

[The 24th Letter]

KG said all the right things publicly, and gave us some heartfelt interviews and all, but he wanted our of Minny....it's evident by the attitude he's shown toward them since he left...

[BringTheHeat]

Also, are we faulting guys for wanting a better situation? Bosh didn't necessarily want out, and If Cleveland was competent LeBron wouldn't have either. The owners and GM were thriving off LeBron being so good but not willing to spend the money to get him real help. Miami again, simply offered more, why waste your career in a city where you're clearly not going to win or get help, when you get offered an opportunity like Pat and Micky Arison gave?

On the fans: teams that are successful are going to have bandwagon fans. Simple. Get over it. It's been happening since sports began.

On "taking the easy way out": As a competitor, and as an NBA player of their caliber, your main goal is to win. To get the rings and accolades so that you're cemented in history and remembered forever. Any athlete in any sport trains for their sport, why? To gain an advantage over the competition, it's not the easy way out, it's the smart way as a competitor.

Let's be real here:

Miami was 47-35 in 2010. Wade, Chalmers, QRich, JO'Neal, and Beasley were their starting 5. Cleveland was 61-21. LeBron, Anthony Parker, JJ Hickson, Mo Williams, and Shaq(for a good majority) were their starting 5. Toronto was 40-42. Bosh, Bargs, Derozan, Hedo, Calderon/Jack were their starting 5.

None of those teams are championship teams. Why would you not make the route easy on yourself, the concept of increasing your advantage applies to everything in life, not sure why these guys get so much criticism for coming together. It's not even like they didn't try with their team. Wade won a ring because Miami got Shaq out of his LA situation and they built around him with solid role players. Bosh isn't a championship type player you build around. LeBron is, Cleveland just didn't do it.

[King_B_Mack]

The Cavs really catch too much flak for "not doing anything to put talent around LeBron."

I'll say, they probably should have taken Al Jefferson with that 10th pick in the draft the year after LeBron, especially after the way Boozer screwed them over, but for the most part who were they taking in the drafts after LeBron? Picks that were already traded in prior years, picks at the back of the first round, drafts that really weren't deep with talent in those years of LeBron in Cleveland, coupled with the fact that he wouldn't confirm whether or not he was staying or even leaning towards staying with the team all but completely eliminated quality free agents from signing there. There's already not a whole lot of reasons to willingly go play for the Clevleand Cavaliers, when the best player in the world is likely not a possibility to still be there after you sign on long term, that's a bit of deterrent. Like Elton Brand getting Baron Davis to sign in LA and then bolting on him to Philadelphia.

Also, back to other topic of Diesel painting fans with the same broad brush, the majority of Bulls fans flipped off the LeBron to Chicago train when Dwyane Wade made his fake *** unannounced visit to the United Center on the first day of free agency and his even faker second trip. There were only a select few that wanted to continue pursuing LeBron and wanted to instead focus on bringing Wade home which is why up until he stated acting like a dick Chicago was the only place booing the living hell out of Dwyane in the whole thing.

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by BringTheHeat

Also, are we faulting guys for wanting a better situation? Bosh didn't necessarily want out, and If Cleveland was competent LeBron wouldn't have either. The owners and GM were thriving off LeBron being so good but not willing to spend the money to get him real help. Miami again, simply offered more, why waste your career in a city where you're clearly not going to win or get help, when you get offered an opportunity like Pat and Micky Arison gave? On the fans: teams that are successful are going to have bandwagon fans. Simple. Get over it. It's been happening since sports began. On "taking the easy way out": As a competitor, and as an NBA player of their caliber, your main goal is to win. To get the rings and accolades so that you're cemented in history and remembered forever. Any athlete in any sport trains for their sport, why? To gain an advantage over the competition, it's not the easy way out, it's the smart way as a competitor. Let's be real here: Miami was 47-35 in 2010. Wade, Chalmers, QRich, JO'Neal, and Beasley were their starting 5. Cleveland was 61-21. LeBron, Anthony Parker, JJ Hickson, Mo Williams, and Shaq(for a good majority) were their starting 5. Toronto was 40-42. Bosh, Bargs, Derozan, Hedo, Calderon/Jack were their starting 5. None of those teams are championship teams. Why would you not make the route easy on yourself, the concept of increasing your advantage applies to everything in life, not sure why these guys get so much criticism for coming together. It's not even like they didn't try with their team. Wade won a ring because Miami got Shaq out of his LA situation and they built around him with solid role players. Bosh isn't a championship type player you build around. LeBron is, Cleveland just didn't do it.

Not willing to spend the money? Dude they were over the salary cap while LeBron was there.

[BringTheHeat]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

Not willing to spend the money? Dude they were over the salary cap while LeBron was there.

Alright, see "incompetent front office"

[Cavsfan4life]

Dan Gilbert pretty much opened his check book to build a team around LBJ. It was tough to build through the draft with one lottery pick, but they did the best they could, but why are guys going to sign long term when LBJ wouldn't commit. Both Artest and Ariza decided not to come because LBJ didnt commit. Wouldnt consider them all stars, but if we couldnt get those type of players, how would all stars come? Ferry turned "water into wine" with some of the moves he made, but as mentioned could never get a #2, even though Mo was solid. There were rumors on sign and trade deals for Bosh, as long as both signed off, but we now know what was planned all along.