Sports Daily: LeBron's Declaration

[KG]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Mikan also changed rules too. Defensive goaltending, and they widened the lane when he played as well, and widened again with Wilt.. The Wilt free throw thing was well before he became a pro I think.. I chose Mikan because he was basically the leagues first superstar. And Shaq because he was dominant like Wilt, but teams completely changed how they had to guard a big man with Shaq.. Some teams just gave up and fouled him. And refs had absolutely no idea how to ref with Shaq, it was bizarre to watch because I never full understand how a foul isn't a foul regardless of if you are 300 pounds or 200 pounds lol. The refs always looked baffled and confused with their whistles in their mouths wondering if they should blow it or not lol. Just my opinion on it. With all the great big men deserving of a spot I really didn't want two guys from the same position who played in the same era.. Russell basically took Wilt's spot on my list.

IMO, that just speaks to how impact-full Wilt was (changing of the rules before he even gets there). I wasn't disagreeing with your list though since it's your list but I'd personally have Kareem & Wilt over Mikan & maybe Shaq. I always felt like Shaq could have been more dominant if his work ethic was better (not even talking about free throws). But I digress as I've only seen old Kareem play from that list and none of them with the regularity of Shaq.

[BringTheHeat]

Quote: Originally Posted by bakan723

Had to facepalm when I heard this. You don't say that about yourself, lol, you're supposed to let others say stuff like that. herp No wonder why ppl don't like this guy. What a clown.

There's a lot of clowns throughout history then. So let's debate who's the best clown.

[DaImmaculateONe]

Quote: Originally Posted by KG

I'm not going to comment on guys who pre-dated my basketball viewership but it's well documented that the NBA changed A LOT of rules because of Wilt. http://www.nba.com/history/players/chamberlain_bio.html "During his career, his dominance precipitated many rules changes. These rules changed included widening the lane, instituting offensive goaltending and revising rules governing inbounding the ball and shooting free throws (Chamberlain would leap with the ball from behind the foul line to deposit the ball in the basket)." IMO, those are huge rule changes

yeah i think about how its most influential to the game not necessary just the best stats

george washington = bill russell
thomas jefferson = wilt chamberlain
theodore roosevelt = micheal jordan
abraham lincoln = julius erving

[OkayC]

As far as this whole lebron thing. Idc what he proclaims to be, He could proclaim himself the greatest ever for all i care. i just dont care what athletes call themselves. i think the only sad part is that lebron may not be remembered as being one of the top 3 greatest, partially because of his passive attitude on the court. But imo as long as he has rings, why the heck should he care about how he's remembered anyway. I mean the dude is in a class of just absolutely elite players that i don't see anyone matching anytime soon. The only player that will come close to that elite list of players of lebron mj and others is durant. And even then i think people don't like to acknowledge that durant could nip at lebrons heels only cuz its crazy to think another player could come that close to lbj, but i still think even durants potential will only allow him to just barely touch lebrons heels. Overall the dude is great and could go down as top 3 greatest ever, he can call himself what he wants.

Yea i know strange to see me give such praise to lebron, i really don't hate the dude at all, nor do i even care about what the heat do most of the time. Its just alot of heat fans have annoyed me over the years so i tend to give the team and lebron more crap than what is do.

[poloelite]

Let's be real about Lebron. He has only been the undisputed best player in the league for 2 seasons, last year and the year before. This year Durant is on his side and leading MVP candidate.


Before these last two years Kobe was still in winning mode and Lebron had trouble closing games and an awful NBA Finals. While what he did in Cleveland was impressive, it wasn't all time great impressive, especially top 4 worthy. He basically had great stats on underachieving teams. I've seen TMac, AI and Grant Hill do similar. This next phase of Lebron's should be about separating himself or establishing something freakish no one has ever done before.


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[ojandpizza]

Quote: Originally Posted by poloelite

Let's be real about Lebron. He has only been the undisputed best player in the league for 2 seasons, last year and the year before. This year Durant is on his side and leading MVP candidate. Before these last two years Kobe was still in winning mode and Lebron had trouble closing games and an awful NBA Finals. While what he did in Cleveland was impressive, it wasn't all time great impressive, especially top 4 worthy. He basically had great stats on underachieving teams. I've seen TMac, AI and Grant Hill do similar. This next phase of Lebron's should be about separating himself or establishing something freakish no one has ever done before. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Bitter Cleveland fan?

[ClutchCity]

Quote: Originally Posted by ojandpizza

Bitter Cleveland fan?

Just because there is truth in poloelite statement doesn't make him a bitter fan at all. Its true 2 years ago he became the best player when he got his 1st. I personally didn't like it all because of all the media hype and every bandwagon fan known to basketball decided to become overnight Heat fans. I know true Heat fans and none of em give Lebron praise. Remember Lebron wouldn't have 2 titles if it weren't for Ray Allen game 6. Nothing taken away from the team, but the fact that he's saying he's going to be the best ever. Comes with a lot of success, which he has accomplished already. Its going to be interesting is really the point I am trying to get to.

[EAGLESFAN10]

Quote: Originally Posted by poloelite

Let's be real about Lebron. He has only been the undisputed best player in the league for 2 seasons, last year and the year before. This year Durant is on his side and leading MVP candidate. Before these last two years Kobe was still in winning mode and Lebron had trouble closing games and an awful NBA Finals. While what he did in Cleveland was impressive, it wasn't all time great impressive, especially top 4 worthy. He basically had great stats on underachieving teams. I've seen TMac, AI and Grant Hill do similar. This next phase of Lebron's should be about separating himself or establishing something freakish no one has ever done before. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Uhh Durant isnt "Leading" the MVP Race it's damn near a Toss up and I give LeBron the edge right now

What's gone hurt Durant's chances at winning it is Westbrook IMO