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[Walt Frazier]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

He doesn't know about the late game AI bug from what he is saying. Frustrating.

Frustrating is way too polite. I hate the word 'liar', but there's no other appropriate word. He is 100% lying. Videos were sent. Lots of them. They acknowleded they saw them. I personally even contacted them about it as I wanted to ask how QA missed it and was told it was noted and the big patch would fix it. Guys over at the NLSC compiled videos and they were sent and acknowledged. It would be IMPOSSIBLE to even play this game or be around the community and NOT know about it.


Scott O'G is just making this stuff up as he goes. He oversaw a terrible product and he's just been in a web of PR crap to try and ensure as few returns as possible. Let's just be blunt here, that was the reason for the "apology" to avoid an absolute catastrophic return of sale figure on this game. Sales were so low that he acted to ward off the few who did buy it with the whole PR "big things are coming! greatness awaits!" stuff. The first month of face scans all said "IN Live 14", but that was never even possible. In simple terms, he has strung a lot of people along and minimised the damage as much as possible.


This "didn't realise the late game AI" bug is absolutely going way too far though. It's flat out treating the community as fools and lying straight to people's faces. Just not good on so many levels.

[Walt Frazier]

Quote: Originally Posted by 32

Now with Scott's comment saying he didn't know about it and they'll look into has severely pissed me off to the point I don't trust him or EA/Live crew. If he can be this dishonest about this, what have they been honest about? I'm sorry for the rant, but as one of Live 14 few supporters, I'm completely turned off about their product or faith they'll make a good product going forward.

Welcome to reality. These guys are used car salesman. They will basically say anything and ignore anything as long as it gets them their sale or keeps it. In your case, and mine, they clearly acknowedged it simply as a way to say "go away" and minimise any damage. You were lied to so as to shut you up so that they didn't have to acknowledge a problem. Now other people raise it and it's "hey, I didn't know about it". Their problem is that in the social media era you and the next guy to complain at some point meet up online and realise you've both been strung along.

[Walt Frazier]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

Wow at these last 2 pages, just wow....here are the ones I captured... http://youtu.be/gMDoIpHU5zU http://youtu.be/Yx1s_QHyuzQ http://youtu.be/pUknL5fxXbQ

I emailed their staff multiple videos also and was told it was being looked into. Just a flat out lie. This guy needs to walk. I am not anti EA. I buy FIFA the moment it is released. But the teams are different and the professional standards on LIVE are a disgrace to the company. EA needs to sack the whole lot of them and let the FIFA guys work on it from here on. There's plenty of fresh devs they can hire to get the basketball aspects. The professional product, online, animations etc in FIFA are just a whole world higher. They need to just move this team on as they are damaging the company name.

[loosey101]

I could just tell by this guys tone that he had to know about the late game logic, how could he not know, it's been there since release. I would say send the videos again to Lives and Scott's Twitter. Maybe they realized it wouldn't be worth it though and just moved forward on 15. Either way, Scott's lying and acting like it's not a big deal. Sorry guy, we've been asking your team to fix this since day 1.

[Pared]

Let's try and put this into perspective for a second.

I am just as upset as anyone that he acted to not know what was up with the big in late game AI. I actually spent a good amount of time trying to help you guys get it fixed by semi-spamming the chat while he was streaming. I may not feel Live is "it" this year but that doesn't mean we can't have games that keep trying to push each other. We all win when that happens.

This guy is only one member of a team. They know about the issue - or at least a few of them know. WTF has hinted (to put it modestly) that he is in communication with someone from the Live team. If that's the case, then they know and either decided to not fix it, don't know how to fix it or what is causing it or just can't.

I think the most upsetting thing is he did the traditional game developer belittling thing to me in the stream. I was vague (kind of tough to be specific in a chat with limited character space and a bunch of idiots saying Live sucks) but tried my best to open a dialogue about the issue. A good amount of people there also knew about it and his response was basically, "during a big lead, during a close game, when you are up, when the CPU is up....?" These are the types of interactions developers typically have with Q&A testers. Some value them, others see them as idiots.

His response of I'll look into it left me optimistic but after 32's post I can't help but echo my initial thoughts - Frustrating.

To his credit - he did answer a lot of my questions although I do question some of his setting choices such as turning auto motion off and setting the shooting to ratings only (which he did change later on).

I don't know Scott; seems like he's proud of his work... But then again so were the guys in Vancouver.

Hopefully they understand opening up a dialogue to the fans help. They would be better off telling people we are aware of the issue and will try to resolve it anyway we can. Seems they would prefer to not acknowledge it publicly for whatever reason.

[Pared]

Also - please don't post stuff like "I told you so" or whatever - it doesn't help anyone here and is borderline trolling. A comment like that doesn't do anything but incite others.

[loosey101]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Let's try and put this into perspective for a second. I am just as upset as anyone that he acted to not know what was up with the big in late game AI. I actually spent a good amount of time trying to help you guys get it fixed by semi-spamming the chat while he was streaming. I may not feel Live is "it" this year but that doesn't mean we can't have games that keep trying to push each other. We all win when that happens. This guy is only one member of a team. They know about the issue - or at least a few of them know. WTF has hinted (to put it modestly) that he is in communication with someone from the Live team. If that's the case, then they know and either decided to not fix it, don't know how to fix it or what is causing it or just can't. I think the most upsetting thing is he did the traditional game developer belittling thing to me in the stream. I was vague (kind of tough to be specific in a chat with limited character space and a bunch of idiots saying Live sucks) but tried my best to open a dialogue about the issue. A good amount of people there also knew about it and his response was basically, "during a big lead, during a close game, when you are up, when the CPU is up....?" These are the types of interactions developers typically have with Q&A testers. Some value them, others see them as idiots. His response of I'll look into it left me optimistic but after 32's post I can't help but echo my initial thoughts - Frustrating. To his credit - he did answer a lot of my questions although I do question some of his setting choices such as turning auto motion off and setting the shooting to ratings only (which he did change later on). I don't know Scott; seems like he's proud of his work... But then again so were the guys in Vancouver. Hopefully they understand opening up a dialogue to the fans help. They would be better off telling people we are aware of the issue and will try to resolve it anyway we can. Seems they would prefer to not acknowledge it publicly for whatever reason.

I was there with you Pared, I heard him answer the question but didn't realize it was you that had asked it. Yeah, I didn't like the way he remarked either, he said something and then that was pretty much it. I started spamming that it happened at the end of games with the CPU down a possession or two. I spammed a few questions about another update but he wouldn't answer it. He did answer a couple of the questions but I honestly left the chat last night feeling like the only thing that was helpful was the dribbiling he showed. I know they can't remark on certain things but I wish he would have at least addressed these issues a little more in depth.

[The 24th Letter]

I hear you Pared. Me personally, I respect the devs...I know some things aren't in their power, and I know a lot of them really do work hard...

It's just combination of the severity of a bug like this, and the attention pad to it that gets me...this isn't in the same class as CPU TO's or PIP success (even those are very important to some)...I was so confident that it be fixed because it's such an experiencing killing bug...and I guess that was partly my fault...but to hear him say it's the first time he heard it last night....smh.