Sound off: Who Should LA Surround Kobe With the Next Two Years?

[ojandpizza]

@tril

There is nothing wrong with making hypothetical situations for the future, or creating scenarios that you would like to see for LA. Nobody here is bashing you for that..

The problem is, we tell you it's not realistic and you act like we're the ones who don't know what we are talking about.. That's the sole reason there is like 2 full pages of argument on here.

The point is the majority of what you've said is likely 99% not going to happen, or ever could happen. It's fine to want that, and it's fine to create "what ifs".. But when you act like we don't know what we're talking about because we are being realistic with you, then yeah you can expect people to "bash" your ideas.

[Kashanova]

Honestly, The Lakers should surround Kobe with passive personalities. If he plays with another Alpha dog they'll clash

[rdnk]

Quote: Originally Posted by tril

Hibbert has a player option that year. and Brook Lopez will not be a max guy then either. especially when you have your Deandre Jordan's (team option) and Andre Drummond's (fa) becoming free agents or have the opportunity to opt out in 2015. even Marc Gasol will be a free agent that year will they all get max contracts nope. will the Lakers gladly go over the cap and pay the luxury tax. Yup. they have always done this. this is the Lakers not OKC, Detroit, etc!!!! Lakers are a prime time money making team. and that wont change.

Detroit could go over the cap if they wanted to. We did so when we beat the Lakers in 2004 as well as the seasons when we were competitive. There is just no logic to paying tax dollars when fielding a terrible team. Drummond is a long way out, he becomes a RFA in 2016. If you mean Monroe, then fine, he's a RFA in 2014, but since the Lakers have nothing to trade Detroit would just match any contract offer, so then he'd be a UFA in 2018. We have his bird rights as well as plenty of salary cap coming free. There is no logic in some of the guys you mentioned leaving perfectly fine teams for a dysfunctional organization like the Lakers. They're in the position that Dallas was in.

Even if LA could get Carmelo, him and Kobe would be the worst superstar pairing of all time. Of the 60 M (approx, 70 M is the tax line) salary cap, 35 M is guaranteed to Kobe and Nash. If you spend that 25 M on one player and a mediocre bench guy, then you still have two starting holes and multiple bench slots to fill through trade. It would likely be more prudent to go after a few quality starters and bench guys with cap and MLE (not sure how much bi-annual exception they have left). To get Nash they used their trade exception, so if they run up to the cap they couldn't add anyone big in a trade. If they trade Gasol to a team with a lot of cap space at the deadline, then they could get a large trade exception; yet this brings us back to the part where the Lakers have nothing to trade if even they can pull that off without adding guaranteed money next year. I doubt they will be awful enough to get a super high pick.

I would have amnestied Kobe and traded Gasol in the offseason, and went after some of the mid-range FAs that were signed in the offseason. It didn't have the star power that this one will, but there was enough quality starters to have built a team where Kobe could have returned and been set up to be a very good team.

[OkayC]

Ignoring the stupidity of trils' posts. What does anybody think of the lakers taking a shot at granger? He's sorta injury prone, but can definitely score, and is an average defender, and theres already been rumores of the pacers trading him. also wouldn't hurt to look kyle lowry's way. At least for this upcoming offseason.Also, it might not hurt to take a crack at shumpert, and see what the knicks want for him, since he's already in trade discussions anyway. A guy who can flatout shoot, and a defensive stopper. That 2 way play is something the lakers need desperately. We could just play him at point guard since kobe handles the ball mostly anyway. Or we could start farmar, and bring him off the bench. But i only say try and go for shump, if we can trade him for something reasonable.

[KSOR24]

Quote: Originally Posted by OkayC

Ignoring the stupidity of trils' posts. What does anybody think of the lakers taking a shot at granger? He's sorta injury prone, but can definitely score, and is an average defender, and theres already been rumores of the pacers trading him. also wouldn't hurt to look kyle lowry's way. At least for this upcoming offseason.Also, it might not hurt to take a crack at shumpert, and see what the knicks want for him, since he's already in trade discussions anyway. A guy who can flatout shoot, and a defensive stopper. That 2 way play is something the lakers need desperately. We could just play him at point guard since kobe handles the ball mostly anyway. Or we could start farmar, and bring him off the bench. But i only say try and go for shump, if we can trade him for something reasonable.

I'd say the Lakers' biggest needs in order are: a good interior defender (Asik) > A solid starting point guard who can defend and score fairly well > A better starting small forward who can defend and hit the 3 (Deng)

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[tril]

Quote: Originally Posted by OkayC

Ignoring the stupidity of trils' posts. What does anybody think of the lakers taking a shot at granger? He's sorta injury prone, but can definitely score, and is an average defender, and theres already been rumores of the pacers trading him. also wouldn't hurt to look kyle lowry's way. At least for this upcoming offseason.Also, it might not hurt to take a crack at shumpert, and see what the knicks want for him, since he's already in trade discussions anyway. A guy who can flatout shoot, and a defensive stopper. That 2 way play is something the lakers need desperately. We could just play him at point guard since kobe handles the ball mostly anyway. Or we could start farmar, and bring him off the bench. But i only say try and go for shump, if we can trade him for something reasonable.

Broh if this was a school yard, we would have been beefing with your stupid statement. dude this is all hypothetical stuff here.
You all just freely bash folks for posting thoughts. if you dont like post's make reasonable statements, but dont start posts by bashing folks. BRoh!!!
THIS DEBATE STARTED TO GO WRONG WHEN FOLKS STARTED THEIR POSTS BY SAYING I DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL, WHAT ARE YOU 5, SAYING IM STUPID ETC. wrong approach in a debate. so of course Ill fire back with dumb statements.

again what everyone anyone posts about whom the lakers may sign is all hypothetical.
1. you never know how much someone will sign for. everyone is basing their theories that everyone will get a max deal. In the past few years that has proven to not always be the case.
2. A player may want to play in a high profile city. get the national exposure etc. That is why cities Like LA and New York attract high priced athletes.

[tril]

Quote: Originally Posted by rdnk

Detroit could go over the cap if they wanted to. We did so when we beat the Lakers in 2004 as well as the seasons when we were competitive. There is just no logic to paying tax dollars when fielding a terrible team. Drummond is a long way out, he becomes a RFA in 2016. If you mean Monroe, then fine, he's a RFA in 2014, but since the Lakers have nothing to trade Detroit would just match any contract offer, so then he'd be a UFA in 2018. We have his bird rights as well as plenty of salary cap coming free. There is no logic in some of the guys you mentioned leaving perfectly fine teams for a dysfunctional organization like the Lakers. They're in the position that Dallas was in. Even if LA could get Carmelo, him and Kobe would be the worst superstar pairing of all time. Of the 60 M (approx, 70 M is the tax line) salary cap, 35 M is guaranteed to Kobe and Nash. If you spend that 25 M on one player and a mediocre bench guy, then you still have two starting holes and multiple bench slots to fill through trade. It would likely be more prudent to go after a few quality starters and bench guys with cap and MLE (not sure how much bi-annual exception they have left). To get Nash they used their trade exception, so if they run up to the cap they couldn't add anyone big in a trade. If they trade Gasol to a team with a lot of cap space at the deadline, then they could get a large trade exception; yet this brings us back to the part where the Lakers have nothing to trade if even they can pull that off without adding guaranteed money next year. I doubt they will be awful enough to get a super high pick. I would have amnestied Kobe and traded Gasol in the offseason, and went after some of the mid-range FAs that were signed in the offseason. It didn't have the star power that this one will, but there was enough quality starters to have built a team where Kobe could have returned and been set up to be a very good team.

ok. all the names I mentioned are based off players becoming free agents in the 13/14 14/15/ 15/16seasons.

Historically Lakers have never had a 4/5 year rebuilding process. In the past their rebuilding process took 2 years at most. and even in those years those teams were competitive. 04/05 season and 92/93 season comes to mind. back in the mid70s they spent 2 straight seasons out of the playoffs.
with that logic they could get Carmello, with just Kobe, and fill mid range roster type players, still be competitive until Kobe comes off the books. then go after high priced free agents. in 2015/16. again thats the year Hibbert has a player option.
I guess what Im saying the Lakers being the Lakers, will have 2 high profile players with Kobe before he retires. This Also provides LA with a smooth transition into the next LA era.

Again, The Lakers have never had long rebuilding processes and I dont see that happening now. they have the majority of their roster coming off the books at the right time. and historically they always land top talent. Again, Howard is the only recent exception.

so Ill stick to my Carmello, Kobe and Hibbert in 2015/16. and theyll as usual pursue every high profile free agent (Eric Bledsoe), and will surprise us when they land those players. Thats what the Lakers have always done.

[tril]

Seriously, Someone should bookmark this thread for the next couple of years.
I say it will be an interesting in Lakers Land for the next few years. When it comes to the LosAngelas Lakers, I stand by my train of thought.
theyll spend, theyll shock us with whom they land.