Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - War in the Trenches & Passing Pockets (QJB)

[Afrikan]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jetpac

I disagree with this Backbreaker was horrible. Now APF2K8 is amazing and shows just what dedication and hard work + TALENT can do.

he went into detail about his opinion..where as you just made a broad statement.

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

Agreed. Backbreaker was a load of crap. A tech demo at best.

and you are worse.

this is just like posting "Madden sux" and leaving....same stuff.

just drive by trolling.

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by Afrikan

he went into detail about his opinion..where as you just made a broad statement. and you are worse. this is just like posting "Madden sux" and leaving....same stuff. just drive by trolling.

No. First, it was an expression of my opinion on BACKBREAKER. And since this isn't a BB thread, why does the thread need to be derailed any further with details of an insignificant game (my opinion). Secondly, my point was to leave BB out of the discussion because comparisons to Madden of THAT game? Madden wins! Third, he's "details" as you call them, we NOT details at all. Just more hyperbole and opinion on a game that has nothing to do with this particular discussion.

So, speaking of drive by trolling, what do you call YOUR post?

[Afrikan]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

No. First, it was an expression of my opinion on BACKBREAKER. And since this isn't a BB thread, why does the thread need to be derailed any further with details of an insignificant game (my opinion). Secondly, my point was to leave BB out of the discussion because comparisons to Madden of THAT game? Madden wins! Third, he's "details" as you call them, we NOT details at all. Just more hyperbole and opinion on a game that has nothing to do with this particular discussion. So, speaking of drive by trolling, what do you call YOUR post?

do you understand why he brought up BackBreaker? what comparisons?...it wasn't Which game is better...it was about player interactions and physics and how that can help the Madden franchise... I'm paraphrasing here, so Ian can correct me if I'm way off base, I mean even Ian finally admitted that he would've liked to have BackBreaker's Euphoria engine....but it didn't work out.

what's this Madden wins stuff...lol... its not about that, its about trying to point things out and hopefully making the only NFL licensed game better than it currently is.

and you are going to compare the intent of my post, to yours?...ok lol.

[royounggoku]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jetpac

I disagree with this Backbreaker was horrible. Now APF2K8 is amazing and shows just what dedication and hard work + TALENT can do.

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

Agreed. Backbreaker was a load of crap. A tech demo at best.

There were aspects of Backbreaker that made it a bad game, the animation and physics weren't one of them. Which was why it was brought up in the first place.

[wordtobigbird]

Madden NEEDS an engine like Euphoria. Just look how realistic that engine made GTA. But a new engine is asking for a lot.

Can we at least get better player ratings? Accurate player size (JJ watt) and equipment (whoever)? Realistic sim stats? A less glitchy/bugged game at release? Better CPU AI logic from play calling to team management in CFM? I could go on and on..

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by Afrikan

do you understand why he brought up BackBreaker? what comparisons?...it wasn't Which game is better...it was about player interactions and physics and how that can help the Madden franchise... I'm paraphrasing here, so Ian can correct me if I'm way off base, I mean even Ian finally admitted that he would've liked to have BackBreaker's Euphoria engine....but it didn't work out.

I'm totally aware of why it was brought up. And even in the department of physics, the loose, ragdoll engine in BB was different, but we was STILL wrong. But no one paid attention to that little fact I guess.

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what's this Madden wins stuff...lol... its not about that, its about trying to point things out and hopefully making the only NFL licensed game better than it currently is.

So, basically, the CORE of the issues that people have with Madden boils down to having an Euphoria type engine? That would be nice to have in Madden and is a large part of the motivation for the Infinity Engine and all, but that only begins to cover the issues with the game. As I've said many times, proper zone principles. Pass blocking logic (picking the right players to block), fronts and coverages, pass physics. I've gone through that list. Realistic, fluid movement and animations (BB animations looked terrible). So, again, if someone wants to say Madden should inherit anything BB did, I would say they are already on the path to doing so with the ONLY thing they should copy. The IE is rough, but it's a start.

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and you are going to compare the intent of my post, to yours?...ok lol.

Yes, sir, I am. How quaint that you can type "lol". Good job. You win there just because. I'll say again - BB was crap and even though I rage at Madden's lack of progression, I'd rather they not give sniff at BB now that they have something like the Infinity Engine to work with and develop. If you have an issue with that, I feel for you.

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by royounggoku

There were aspects of Backbreaker that made it a bad game, the animation and physics weren't one of them. Which was why it was brought up in the first place.

The dynamic part of the animation system was nice. It wasn't totally accurate, but it was good. The actual animation quality, however, was not.

Look, I'm cool with these kinds of upgrades to the genre. I REALLY am. I just want them to get the BASIC *football* right before they start throwing more tech at the game. That's all I ask. You're wishes may differ and that's cool. If I buy a football game, I want to start with the football.

[SA1NT401]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jetpac

So... Is this Giant blob with the tiny head supposed to be Tom Brady?

Yeah no kidding. I think all the player models look like dog**** personally.

Like the helmets moving on collisions tho. Nice touch.

A ton of potential here for sure.... So u know EA will screw it up.

QJB has to work for EA. try being a bit more REAILLISTIC in what you/we are seeing.