Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - War in the Trenches & Passing Pockets (QJB)

[Jetpac]

Quote: Originally Posted by AlterEgoDuane

@jpdavis82. I get that there is a new "team" running Madden. But, to be honest, whoever is running Madden means nothing if the basic decisions from above them don't change. This ignite engine they are using is BROKEN. They need to completely scrap it and go to a REAL-TIME PHYSICS engine. Backbreaker was able to do it in two years. Madden can, too. What they don't get is that canned animations are the farthest thing from 'next-gen' you can possibly have. Canned animations and scripted outcomes are simply unacceptable on the new consoles. So is motion capture. Create the player models to look realistic. Make every single situation and animation dynamic and un-scripted and add real-time physics calculated by the CPU inside the system. That is the ONLY way you will get realistic, simulation gameplay. Until they do away with the crappy ignite engine, canned animations, scripted outcomes, etc., only minor things will change. Madden can scrap the engine and build a brand new, unscripted, non-canned, non-motion capture animation game in two years and call it Ignite 2 or something. But, until those changes are made, the game will never come close to replicating real football. So, let me ask you this, JPDavis... Why aren't they investing in an engine like that? Is it the fault of the marketing team and the stockholders? Is it apathy from the CEO and his team? Is it incompetence? What is the problem? If an independent, European effing company with no experience making football games can come up with a real-time physics engine that make every tackle and block dynamic, why can't a multi-billion dollar company figure it out? I'm done falling for this garbage. I'm holding them accountable now. If they want to be truly 'next-gen', then they better get rid of this crappy ignite engine. Or they will be passed by every other video game company who will have truly next-gen software and engines. This videos and the other videos we have seen are completely unacceptable. Completely. I canceled my pre-order a couple weeks ago and I am proud of it for finally standing up to these out-of-touch execs at EA. They won't get my money until they produce a truly simulation product. If that never happens, then they will never get my money again.

I disagree with this Backbreaker was horrible. Now APF2K8 is amazing and shows just what dedication and hard work + TALENT can do.

[Boilerbuzz]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jetpac

I disagree with this Backbreaker was horrible. Now APF2K8 is amazing and shows just what dedication and hard work + TALENT can do.

Agreed. Backbreaker was a load of crap. A tech demo at best.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

Backbreaker was pretty much the opposite of an EA Football game; too few animations and mo capping (also it wasn't well polished, very raw) where EAs game is just way too many animations that do not get sown together.

[PJ33]

Seriously #91 looks like he would rather dance with the two guys double teaming him then even try to go after Brady. He has a clear path to him and yet decides let's play pat-a-cake with the two linemen. They call this fixed? Keep sending out this hype garbage!!!! I'm still not buying it.

[RexDEAFootball]

Quote: Originally Posted by Shakedowncapo

I bet Rex Dickson is reading this thread right now like

Sweet GIF!

[bc21045]

Quote: Originally Posted by RexDEAFootball

Sweet GIF!

I have madden on 360, i'm getting a ps4 at launch so I can't do the trade in deal. Is next gen a big enough improvement to justify another $60 in your opinion or should I just wait til next year?

[wordtobigbird]

Quote: Originally Posted by bc21045

I have madden on 360, i'm getting a ps4 at launch so I can't do the trade in deal. Is next gen a big enough improvement to justify another $60 in your opinion or should I just wait til next year?

Of course will say yes lol. Not that it won't be but your answer will be yes.

I just want to know if things like autosubs, sim stats, CPU play calling, penalties, etc are fixed.

I would love Rex to speak on penalties effecting gameplay as much as sliders..

[Saviour]

Quote: Originally Posted by ghettogeeksta

The line play isn't really that impressive to me, guys are still playing patty cake, still too many stale mates at the line, pass rushers still get warped into offensive linemen instead taking the best angle towards the Qb, and I don't see defensive linemen pushing blockers into the backfield at a fast enough pace to put pressure on the Qb. Only two outcomes the pass rusher gets blocked solidly or they break away from the O-linemen for a clean shot on the Qb. O-linemen just give up after they get beat, they don't even attempt to hold, or go low to make up for missed blocks. In this video, Pace gets past the left tackle, the tackle is still looking forward while Pace is about to end Brandy's career. We need a new gameplay/animation engine, they are still trying to build on a old broken engine. Its not going to work even if the upgraded hardware.

Exactly.... Next Gen systems should have brought next gen engines. This looks exactly like current gen. You cant fool me with up close slow motion replays.