Madden NFL 25 Next Gen Video - War in the Trenches & Passing Pockets (QJB)

[charter04]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheBuddyHobbs

If you are referring to accepting mediocrity I wasn't referring to you. Was referring to people that just seem to accept it as it's okay.

Who's accepting it? Maybe some do. Not me. I just can't do anymore than some GC's are. So I'm going to make lemonade out of lemons. I'm not even saying Madden is terrible. I'm just saying that it is what it is. I guess I had different next gen expectations. I didn't expect the football game we've all wanted. I expect to see more move that way. Until I play the game myself it's speculation anyway.

[kjcheezhead]

Over all, when you pause on an image of the pocket, it forms nicely. But in motion, the players are still doing weird twists, and shifts. Watch 62 in the back. What kind of footwork is this? There is a ballerina in that man just begging to get out. Edit: The gif is too fast, watch the video at 37 sec to see what I mean.

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The wr/db interaction is horrible. Identical to current gen. The improved ai, players making 60 calculations a second is bs, plain and simple.

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Look at both the dbs. Mirroring the wrs routes, running behind and almost in front of the wrs instead of trying to get between the qb and the wr. Also, look at the play on the ball, the db warps in front of the wr and then swats at the ball while continuing to run towards the LOS. Horrible. It would look a lot more realistic if the db tried to hit the wrs arm as the ball gets there or just make the tackle cause no pee wee player would do what he did..

With the few videos we have gotten, why is the focus only on pass blocking? The AP vid had some promising moments of engaged players flowing with run plays? That's a potential game changer in the run game, why doesn't any one want to point that out? Is it still there?

One more thing I'll put my two cents in on. The sidelines look completely static and the fans are about as good as current NBA2k and the Show. Not something that is real important to me, but def some false advertising there imo.

[Steven78]

Man we've had so many interviews throughout the years about 3 year plan, doing this, doing that, that I honestly don't know how anyone can have faith in their words at this point. I need to see it to believe it as they've burned that bridge.

[TheBuddyHobbs]

Quote: Originally Posted by charter04

Who's accepting it? Maybe some do. Not me. I just can't do anymore than some GC's are. So I'm going to make lemonade out of lemons. I'm not even saying Madden is terrible. I'm just saying that it is what it is. I guess I had different next gen expectations. I didn't expect the football game we've all wanted. I expect to see more move that way. Until I play the game myself it's speculation anyway.

There are a few guys that are frequent posters you can probably pick out and tell they have accepted it. So much so that they defend it to death. Of course you have guys like me that criticize it to death. But that is because I want to see a great Madden game again. A great simulation Madden game that is. We all pay money for this game so we should be getting a better product for 60 dollars not just a slight upgrade.

As far as the direction they are going it sounds good. Though like I mentioned in one of my last post. They sound good in theory, but never deliver as expected or promised. I want EA to shut me and everybody up. Trust me I know we all want that. Problem is it won't be for at least another year or two. At least I hope we are all shut up by then.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Papa D

That's great JD, im glad they did improve the Dline/Oline animation gameplay. Imo I thought it actually looked better, still looks stiff but better. BUT... the one concern about EA and their staff of Dev's is, are they just going to work on one problem area each year??? What I mean is, it looks like they focused all their man power and talent in just one of the many issues that Madden has lacked!! Like for instance, is that all they can handle in a 1 year cycle?? That's horrible if you ask me.. So each year they will fix one thing that Madden lacks? Next up is what? CB/WR animations??? So by the time they get everything right there will be another Next Gen console coming out?? Its sad that this stuff should have been fixed a long time ago!! this is not new stuff, 2K has done this type of animations 10+ years ago?! How long is it going to take for them to finally catch up?? That's the real question.. People are getting tired of waiting for EA to finally catch up! When?

We had that answer last week from Rex Dickson. The answer is absolutely not, that questioned was brought up and they aren't adding OL/DL this year and ripping it out next year. It will be worked on for 3-4 years.

Physics has been worked on for the last 2 yrs and will continually be worked on.

The days of putting in protak and taking it out the next year is gone, we were told.

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by Steven78

Man we've had so many interviews throughout the years about 3 year plan, doing this, doing that, that I honestly don't know how anyone can have faith in their words at this point. I need to see it to believe it as they've burned that bridge.

Then we must painfully wait it out.

[rootofalleli]

Quote: Originally Posted by KingV2k3

The PS2 years are RELATIVELY the "Golden Years" simply because MORE THINGS STILL WORKED!!! Basic stuff like Formation Subs / Auto Subs / Coach Philosophy Sliders / Accurate Sim Engine (and other assorted aspects of customization inside and outside Franchise / CCM) have ALL fallen by the wayside, presumably to waste the potential of a bigger, more powerful console on graphics and enticing the casual / head to head / online player...

Those who don't play franchise seem to have a hard time seeing how bad it's gotten for many of us who do. 10 years ago I loved managing my team. I figured that the next gen of consoles would give me more complexity and tougher decisions on top of the power to quickly simulate the AI's crafty maneuvers.

Head to head play certainly has its flaws, but at least they affect all users more or less equally and don't prevent anyone from agreeing to play fairly. There still is a game there. Solo play is now "Compete with Yourself Mode" (32 team control) or "Beat Your Nephew at Checkers Mode" (vs CPU). That pretty much guts the experience.

[Feevision]

Why madden keeps looking like a cartoon the graphics dont look next gen it looks like a small upgrade from cg .. When is madden going to look photo realistic?.. Thank god ea dont have exclusive nba rights because if they did we would of never known how good a nba game can look on next gen like nba 2k14 ..madden only gets away with this garbage because theres no other football games out ...madden would of fell like nba live if they didnt buy the exclusive license .. Do u guys remember when nba live was the most popular basketball game and 2k was the underdog? I do!!! I was i live junkie but 2k took over by making a better game then live every year .. They took it nobody gave 2k anything ..i say that to say this ea needs to step they game up if they want to take it back .. ,