NBA 2K14 Video - Next-Gen Gameplay

[spankdatazz22]

Quote: Originally Posted by VDusen04

Instead, I think there's just some folks out there who, rationally or irrationally, were expecting to be blown away from gameplay improvements that matched the graphical improvements. For instance, maybe some people were expecting next-level fluidity that made current generation branching animations look prehistoric. To focus on a common example thrown out there thus far, maybe they were expecting there to be an incredible looking side shuffle and spotup animation from Klay Thompson instead of watching him jog all funky to the corner and half turn to face the crowd randomly.

I'd say these raised expectations were irrational, period. If someone hyped themselves up to believe they were going to get some transformational experience when there was no evidence that would be the case, that's on them imo. There isn't a next gen game out there that completely blows away what's come before it. Gone are the days when launch systems came with a Mario 64, a Halo, etc. As each game generation has advanced, the differences between what came before it aren't as noticeable. It's been said many times - going from Atari/Intellivision to [whatever in between] was huge. The jump from SNES/Genesis to Nintendo 64/Dreamcast/PS1 was huge. The jump from those to PS2/Xbox were noticeable, but there really wasn't a transformative launch title that came with either of those systems. Same when the jump to the 360/PS3 occurred - no generation-defining experiences at launch.

So it's silly imo to expect that this time around. I haven't seen a single next gen game that makes people sit back and say "THAT'S something I've never seen". The racing games, the shooters, etc. - none are what people would call super-impressive. If anything many people are saying NBA2K14 represents the largest jump from a current gen game to a next gen game. So to be disappointed that it's not some transformative experience when it's likely 2K may be the one next gen game that non-fans will buy just to show off their system... is unrealistic imo.

[wordtobigbird]

I still don't see how gameplay can look different. All you can tell from watching videos is graphics and animations. Game play requires actually playing the game, period..

When they changed the controls the gameplay changed dramatically but in the videos it was still a crossover to a layup. You couldn't tell the gameplay was different.

[VDusen04]

Quote: Originally Posted by spankdatazz22

I'd say these raised expectations were irrational, period. If someone hyped themselves up to believe they were going to get some transformational experience when there was no evidence that would be the case, that's on them imo. There isn't a next gen game out there that completely blows away what's come before it. Gone are the days when launch systems came with a Mario 64, a Halo, etc. As each game generation has advanced, the differences between what came before it aren't as noticeable. It's been said many times - going from Atari/Intellivision to [whatever in between] was huge. The jump from SNES/Genesis to Nintendo 64/Dreamcast/PS1 was huge. The jump from those to PS2/Xbox were noticeable, but there really wasn't a transformative launch title that came with either of those systems. Same when the jump to the 360/PS3 occurred - no generation-defining experiences at launch. So it's silly imo to expect that this time around. I haven't seen a single next gen game that makes people sit back and say "THAT'S something I've never seen". The racing games, the shooters, etc. - none are what people would call super-impressive. If anything many people are saying NBA2K14 represents the largest jump from a current gen game to a next gen game. So to be disappointed that it's not some transformative experience when it's likely 2K may be the one next gen game that non-fans will buy just to show off their system... is unrealistic imo.

Right, which is why I said "rationally or irrationally". Still, I think it's a funny spot for gamers to be in. I know this is not truly the case, but it kind of feels like some people would prefer if 2K were completely insulated in this case. That is, if they provide something incredible, everyone should praise. Yet, if an aspect of their next gen game doesn't seem too incredible, then we all must refrain from any sort of naysay because it's silly to expect a big jump from one generation to the next. At times I'm struggling to understand whether people should or shouldn't be excited about next gen 2K.

Quote: Originally Posted by wordtobigbird

I still don't see how gameplay can look different. All you can tell from watching videos is graphics and animations. Game play requires actually playing the game, period.. When they changed the controls the gameplay changed dramatically but in the videos it was still a crossover to a layup. You couldn't tell the gameplay was different.

For some, I think that might be a vocabulary or semantics issue. For instance, when I say gameplay, sometimes I'm referring to things like when a team chooses to pick & roll and how an opponent defends it. But I admit I also sometimes use "gameplay" to refer to what the game looks like in action. So, to go back to the Klay Thompson example, when he twirls in the corner, I view that as part of how the game plays, so to speak.

[moe242324]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

What is the point of this post? First, why are taking issue with folks that disagree with criticisms? Secondly, what makes you think you have the right to tell people what they can and can't talk about? As long as it's a public forum and it doesn't violate the ToS, folks can say what they want to who they choose. Smoove can have legit criticisms. And folks can have legit rebuttals to them. If you want to accuse folks of being 2K reps, then lets say Smoove is being paid by EA and you are an EA rep (or should I say a Smoove rep). It goes both ways. You are right - every game will have issues. And they are discussed pretty extensively here on OS. These useless attempts at muting go both ways. If a thread starts up with a complaint, then it's fair game. End of story. As for NG gameplay *looking like* CG, again - as a fan of the gameplay, no way in hell would I want to to BE that different. It's basketball. Basketball doesn't change. Will you complainers not watch the NBA this year - because I'm 100% it'll look the same as it did last year. And the year before that. And so on.

exactly what I was trying to say in my previous post.

[MarvinOida]

Quote: Originally Posted by wordtobigbird

Lol..sliders do NOT effect the physics at all. You are just slowing the player movement/animation down. You may feel like you are creating that feeling but hands down once you play 2k14 next gen you will realize the difference. There is a new engine. Player movement is different, nothing sliders could recreate. Do you play Fifa? http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/25...a-2k14-footage

Notice how I say "ROSTERS" not "SLIDERS"

Not knocking on NG, but it looks like a lot of the CG gameplay will be on NG, which is a good thing, it's a base. You can't judge on my statement as well since we both haven't played the game, the best we can do is just see and make observations. It's Year 1, I'm not expecting a MEGA upgrade in gameplay, it's just fine tuning CG and adding/adjusting modes IMO. Again, isn't bad for Year 1.


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[recklesscognition]

If you really want this game to pop on day one here is what I suggest. For the night preceding the day you will unbox and play NBA2k14 on next gen, watch an NBA game on a shoddy internet stream. Do not watch any HD sports the day before! If you do this, you will be blown away when you play the 1st game of NBA2k14, no matter what the graphics end up like.

[Trilluminary]

this may help some people.because i was like most not all too impressed by the footage. however a friend of mine who got to play at a conference a couple weeks ago, he said the gameplay doesn't translate from viral clips. he said seeing the lightning, and textures in full 1080 and 60 fps was truly the graphical highlight of the conference in terms of next gen power and a majority of the managers are not sports guys

[hesko]

after watching some real nba highlights, i can't help to wonder which of these two new physics engines will allow me to crab dribble through double teams? within reason of course. i guess i'll have to wait and see.