OS Roundtable: Does Live Stand a Chance?

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by The 24th Letter

Was the last time you checked 2009?

To be completely honest, they weren't lighting the world on fire in 2009 either. Live 10 was a solid effort that was leading the series in the right direction, but it's greatness gets overplayed because of all the steaming piles of trash that lead up to it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Phreak50

If Live manages to be, even half decent, yes it stands a chance. I'm sure many people share my feelings that 2K (while a quality product) has been so similar over the last few years that we just want something different. I'm one of the few that thought Live 2006 that launched with the 360 had a lot of potential. If they can get back there and keep going, they'll have a worthwhile series again. Especially graphically, as I saw 06 as the most realistic looking bball game.

I don't think I will ever truly GET the logic of this thinking. 2K has been a great game over the years. It's been a game with it's own flaws of course as every game does. However it's been the most realistic basketball series we've ever seen to this date. All this "just want something different" talk is insane to me. What is the point here if that's the case? What exactly do you want out of a basketball game at that point? FIFA has been the most realistic soccer game out there, closest to the real thing we've gotten and seems like we'll ever get. I never hear people talking about "just wanting something different." EA's NHL series while flawed over the last few years has been probably the best and closest hockey game to the real thing we've seen. I never hear anybody talking about "just wanting something different." Probably the best example, MLB the Show. We know how good it is and even that game has it's flaws. I never, ever hear any PS3 players talking about "just wanting something different." However when it comes to basketball despite having a series that can boast the GOAT of basketball games and being as great as it is despite it's flaws people are willing to just settle "for something different?" Crazy to me.

[TheLetterZ]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

FIFA has been the most realistic soccer game out there, closest to the real thing we've gotten and seems like we'll ever get. I never hear people talking about "just wanting something different."

PES would like a word with you.

[Jay Jay]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

To be completely honest, they weren't lighting the world on fire in 2009 either. Live 10 was a solid effort that was leading the series in the right direction, but it's greatness gets overplayed because of all the steaming piles of trash that lead up to it. I don't think I will ever truly GET the logic of this thinking. 2K has been a great game over the years. It's been a game with it's own flaws of course as every game does. However it's been the most realistic basketball series we've ever seen to this date. All this "just want something different" talk is insane to me. What is the point here if that's the case? What exactly do you want out of a basketball game at that point? FIFA has been the most realistic soccer game out there, closest to the real thing we've gotten and seems like we'll ever get. I never hear people talking about "just wanting something different." EA's NHL series while flawed over the last few years has been probably the best and closest hockey game to the real thing we've seen. I never hear anybody talking about "just wanting something different." Probably the best example, MLB the Show. We know how good it is and even that game has it's flaws. I never, ever hear any PS3 players talking about "just wanting something different." However when it comes to basketball despite having a series that can boast the GOAT of basketball games and being as great as it is despite it's flaws people are willing to just settle "for something different?" Crazy to me.

Its that way because people want more control and as of today thats something 2k hasn't offered. Nhl and Fifa give us way more control because of the new engines something 2k should have done instead of porting. With 2k we have went through 2 gens of basically the same thing of course it gotten better but a lot want something different.

[King_B_Mack]

Quote: Originally Posted by TheLetterZ

PES would like a word with you.

I'm not slighting PES. The point wasn't a PES/FIFA debate, just that by general consensus and critical acclaim, the last few years of FIFA have been held as the best of the genre. It's not like Madden where there are glaring issues that keep it from properly replicating the source material.

As for the response about control (not you, I forgot to multi quote) I don't buy that for a second. There's plenty of control in 2K, there are still some moves that could use work, but the control thing seems to be a myth that guys have latched onto after the Elite hype train and them leading the war on "canned animations" and never let go. Cause I recall several animations in the beloved Live 10's gameplay that took control out of your hands. From the defenders that latch onto you and ride you up the court forcing you to loose the ball out of bounds on the sidelines, to the dudes who forget how to jump for a rebound when you hit the jump button or on the occasion that they do respond to the button command, they lean forward head first like they're about to faceplant and then jump. All these sports games have their issues, it's expected, it's a fact of programming. Yet only with basketball do we seem to have dudes that "just want something different" even if it means accepting sight unseen another game or based off a screen shot or something equally non-revealing.

[Jay Jay]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

I'm not slighting PES. The point wasn't a PES/FIFA debate, just that by general consensus and critical acclaim, the last few years of FIFA have been held as the best of the genre. It's not like Madden where there are glaring issues that keep it from properly replicating the source material. As for the response about control (not you, I forgot to multi quote) I don't by that for a second. There's plenty of control in 2K, there are still some moves that could use work, but the control thing seems to be a myth that guys have latched onto after the Elite hype train and them leading the war on "canned animations" and never let go. Cause I recall several animations in the beloved Live 10's gameplay that took control out of your hands. From the defenders that latch onto you and ride you up the court forcing you to loose the ball out of bounds on the sidelines, to the dudes who forget how to jump for a rebound when you hit the jump button or on the occasion that they do respond to the button command, they lean forward head first like they're about to faceplant and then jump. All these sports games have their issues, it's expected, it's a fact of programming. Yet only with basketball do we seem to have dudes that "just want something different" even if it means accepting sight unseen another game or based off a screen shot or something equally non-revealing.

In a lot of situations in EA and Live recent b-ball games control was took from the user when 2 man mo cap animations occur and thats what people is tired of. Can't speak for 2k because we don't know about the nextgen version but its been stated that players in Live 14 is completely independent from each other instead of watching it play out. People don't want a game where most of everthing is predetermined because of 2 man mo capswe want a game where our skill determine the outcome. The truth is Fifa, Madden, and Nhl have brought something different and b-ball been the same.

[benyamin5687]

Live is like Myspace, 2K is like Twitter, nothing else to say.

[DETERMINOLOGY]

My opinion 2k and live are 2 different b-ball games and once nba live gets rid of the robotic movement/animations its going to be another game to pick up along with 2k to have best of both worlds but untill then 2k for me

[Jay Jay]

Quote: Originally Posted by DETERMINOLOGY

My opinion 2k and live are 2 different b-ball games and once nba live gets rid of the robotic movement/animations its going to be another game to pick up along with 2k to have best of both worlds but untill then 2k for me

Its going to be none for me if either cant fix sliding, warping, physics, and dribbling. I can live with a few ugly animations any day over those problems.