NBA Live 14 Trailer - First Look (Screen Captures Included)

[BizDevConglomerate]

Honestly thought EA would drop another video today, but probably won't for some time. With that said, you guys gotta chill. Were talking games here, plus expectations from past results. The ignite engine is untested for games right? And what's the point of mentioning live vs. Sakes of current gen, and PC sales? Be real ppl. Live is going up against themselves, they've already acknowledged 2k consistency, and footprint, but for anyone to say 2k is perfect would be very delusional.

2k and EA have to show and prove with this new platform, don't just think they're going to place the CURRENT DISK into the PS4 and PRESTO an upgrade. No. So fall back youngin.

The weekend is here and I can't keep talking bout this topic. Lol. How can you all, they didn't release another vid, but niethee did 2k. It's all about cards now, I don't agree, and want to see more but hey it's time to move on.

Peace.

[Jay Jay]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

A mediocre 7.5 game outselling one if the best games in sports gaming for years after a 3 year developmental catastrophe? Ridiculous. I don't know what alternate reality Live fanboys live in. They don't appear to be satisfied with "Live might be kind of good and might kind of do okay." which is really its best case scenario right now. EA's past is completely relevant. Clean slates don't erase that, especially since they've given themselves 2 clean slates already. People will let it go when the new team actually proves themselves, not before.

I would agree if it was the same team who messed up Live in the first place but since its not you can't put what the other team did on them.

[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay Jay

I would agree if it was the same team who messed up Live in the first place but since its not you can't put what the other team did on them.

Doesn't matter, since same could be said of the teams that messed up. The new team might be on the right track. But they also had to start from scratch with a dev cycle that's less than 2 years which is an additional difficulty to overcome in such a complex game as basketball.

The monkey is off their back when they prove themselves. Not before.

[Jay Jay]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

Doesn't matter, since same could be said of the teams that messed up. The new team might be on the right track. But they also had to start from scratch with a dev cycle that's less than 2 years which is an additional difficulty to overcome in such a complex game as basketball. The monkey is off their back when they prove themselves. Not before.

Its your opinion dude.

[noshun]

Quote: Originally Posted by BizDevConglomerate

2k and EA have to show and prove with this new platform, don't just think they're going to place the CURRENT DISK into the PS4 and PRESTO an upgrade. No. So fall back youngin.

Quote: Originally Posted by EAGLESFAN10

2K and Live Need to prove themselves since its a new generation Live isn't the only one(they just have to prove the most of the 2)

Quote: Originally Posted by Jay Jay

Its your opinion dude.

Except that there are devs from Live 07 on the live 14 team.
1st month sales will dispel your "clean slate" theory, then youll be crying that its because of past games & reputation.
Too many homers in this thread... 'quoted'...

[King_B_Mack]

There's a famous quote out there goes something like; "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it."

Live/EA's past is completely relevant. I know dudes are all gung ho about people 'not bringing up Live's past all the time' mostly because alot of you same dudes that want to get a clean slate now are the same ones out here that were selling that hope for the future/fixing what's wrong with basketball games/just want something different stuff with every Elite 11 newsbit that dropped during that hype train. The same ones that were finding ways to discredit Mike Wang when the news broke that he was out at EA and headed back to 2K. It's not hard to see who really is concerned about helping basketball games move forward.

For the record, Live has always had talented dudes on the team. There's always been guys that love the NBA and love hoops working there (granted they put a hockey guy in charge for Elite, point still stands though) the problem with Live has ALWAYS been from the top down where those guys' visions have been overruled by an accounting spreadsheet. So if you want to get butt hurt that people aren't falling over themselves over promises and talking go right head, but keep in mind the people that are being cautious about buying into the buzzwords and clever marketing tricks are aware that this isn't the first talented development team committed to making a good basketball game that Live has had. You tell me you have hope because it's a new team working on the game, tell me how new the decision making team in the biggest offices overseeing that new Live team are and then we'll talk about hope for the future. Until then, this is all a repeat showing.

[Jay Jay]

Quote: Originally Posted by King_B_Mack

There's a famous quote out there goes something like; "those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." Live/EA's past is completely relevant. I know dudes are all gung ho about people 'not bringing up Live's past all the time' mostly because alot of you same dudes that want to get a clean slate now are the same ones out here that were selling that hope for the future/fixing what's wrong with basketball games/just want something different stuff with every Elite 11 newsbit that dropped during that hype train. The same ones that were finding ways to discredit Mike Wang when the news broke that he was out at EA and headed back to 2K. It's not hard to see who really is concerned about helping basketball games move forward. For the record, Live has always had talented dudes on the team. There's always been guys that love the NBA and love hoops working there (granted they put a hockey guy in charge for Elite, point still stands though) the problem with Live has ALWAYS been from the top down where those guys' visions have been overruled by an accounting spreadsheet. So if you want to get butt hurt that people aren't falling over themselves over promises and talking go right head, but keep in mind the people that are being cautious about buying into the buzzwords and clever marketing tricks are aware that this isn't the first talented development team committed to making a good basketball game that Live has had. You tell me you have hope because it's a new team working on the game, tell me how new the decision making team in the biggest offices overseeing that new Live team are and then we'll talk about hope for the future. Until then, this is all a repeat showing.

There's also a quote out there that goes something like this; "You have to make peace with your past so it won't spoil your future."

[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by NoTiCe_O

I'm looking forward not backwards. That's all I'm saying. Seems like most people are stuck in the past, "Oh Live did this, Live did that, remember the time Live stole my lunch money" Boohoo. Get over it, they made mistakes so what? I'm sure there's some decisions and mistakes you made that you would do over in an instant if you could... I see a new generation of systems, with more power, more memory, and more room for creativity and innovation. I see a once beloved franchise who's had there behinds handed to them ready to start fresh. I see a game whose outcome doesn't have to be decided by who knows how to exploit the animations better than the other, but by the unpredictability of the sport. I'm not going to be close minded and say, we've already saw what EA's done we know what we're going to get, I'll just keep an open mind and listen. I'll do my research, no video or screenshot is going to sell me, but I'll read, see, and try it for myself before I even dish out a penny. Once again, Thomas Edison failed so many times before he got the light bulb right, I'm sure there were naysayers of his time too. "Wow, Thomas is such a bum, doesn't he see this light-bulb thing is just not for him, give it up, John Doe's got the best candles around give up", but I bet you're loving you some light right now.

Edison wasn't the first to create the lightbulb, though he did invent the first commercially practical incandescent light. In this one respect, Edison would be 2K because 2K pushes practical and marketable technology.

I'm also pretty sure Edison didn't hype his inventions before they were presentable. In this respect EA has been more like PT Barnum the last few years.

Also Edison actually stood against progress in important areas-- he devoted a smear campaign against Tesla and AC electricity, which we use in just about everything and not merely lightbulbs. Tesla's genius was on a other level t

Anyway, poor analogy, since Edison wasn't about hype and false promises year after year. We can keep an open mind about EA developing and pushing technology. It's another matter when they make grandiose promises and fail THEIR OWN hype year after year.

Anyway, it looks like EA might have enough for a playable game this year. Even of its bad as far as simulation basketball goes, it looks like they night have a decent framework to build on. And being the underdogs might actually cause them to be innovative instead of milking the franchise like Madden.

Also, it's somewhat self contradictory to simultaneously say we should give EA a clean slate and turn around and say we should acknowledge Live's legacy. You can't have it both ways.

And the last thing you want is people buying Live on its name. This will cause EA to sit back and rest on its laurels once again. You want to keep Live scratching and clawing rather than rest on undeserved reputation.