FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[caballero]

Quote: Originally Posted by Robo COP

bench press is an incredibly overrated way to determine the strength of a man

who's this dedicated to?

If DCEBB, he'll tell you, like he has in this thread already, that he does not ONLY use the Bench Press Reps.

If to me, I know BP doesn't tell the whole story either.
FYI guys with longer arms are at a disadvantage when coming to Reps, doesn't mean they're not football stronger.

If to EA, their strength ratings are incredibly flawed, and you can tell they don't use Reps at all: 300lb+ pound Guard Bernadeau's at 98 STR with 19 reps... Bethea, a 200lbs safety also had 19... STR rating? 67!

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

Wish I could say it's false but...it's true. In the database there are currently 1015 OL and DL that weigh more than they can bench. Here are some notable players who are on NFL rosters or were in NFL camps this summer. Below are their names, weights, and 1RM in the bench press. How many of these guys does EA have rated in the "90s" for STR I wonder? Just more evidence that EAs ratings are a joke and even further evidence that they use NO empirical data when rating players

Jasper 94
Cody 97 ()
Cory Brandon 83
Jean-Baptiste 81
Mims 93
Lucas Nix 82
Andre Smith 96
Brennan Williams 88
Ziemba 89
Aboushi 78 (a lineman they didn't put too high, probably cos he's on the Jets)
Marcel Jones 88
Antoine McClain 81
Donald Stephenson 85

(T.J. Barnes, Terrell Brown, James Nelson, Stefan Charles, Dewayne Cherrington, Dennis Godfrey, Byron Jerideau, Terren Jones, Justin Wells, Anthony Rashad White, Jamaal Johnson-Webb, J.B. Shugarts, A.J. Hawkins & Oscar Johnson aren't in the game)

4 out of 13, my friend. That is EA gets 4 guys totally wrong, 8 wrong and (maybe) one right. Haha they fail!

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

I have finally cracked all of the OVR calculations for all positions, so I will be updating the attributes in the coming weeks for all players. Perhaps we need to start a petition to protest my replacement with Donny Moore at EA.

Would you be so kind to give me directions on how to figure these out (or even better, post or PM them?)

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by Robo COP

bench press is an incredibly overrated way to determine the strength of a man

We also use the 1RM in the squat to determine the STR rating.

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by caballero

who's this dedicated to? If DCEBB, he'll tell you, like he has in this thread already, that he does not ONLY use the Bench Press Reps. If to me, I know BP doesn't tell the whole story either. FYI guys with longer arms are at a disadvantage when coming to Reps, doesn't mean they're not football stronger. If to EA, their strength ratings are incredibly flawed, and you can tell they don't use Reps at all: 300lb+ pound Guard Bernadeau's at 98 STR with 19 reps... Bethea, a 200lbs safety also had 19... STR rating? 67! Jasper 94 Cody 97 () Cory Brandon 83 Jean-Baptiste 81 Mims 93 Lucas Nix 82 Andre Smith 96 Brennan Williams 88 Ziemba 89 Aboushi 78 (a lineman they didn't put too high, probably cos he's on the Jets) Marcel Jones 88 Antoine McClain 81 Donald Stephenson 85 (T.J. Barnes, Terrell Brown, James Nelson, Stefan Charles, Dewayne Cherrington, Dennis Godfrey, Byron Jerideau, Terren Jones, Justin Wells, Anthony Rashad White, Jamaal Johnson-Webb, J.B. Shugarts, A.J. Hawkins & Oscar Johnson aren't in the game) 4 out of 13, my friend. That is EA gets 4 guys totally wrong, 8 wrong and (maybe) one right. Haha they fail!

It seems to me that EA is using the WEIGHT of a player and assuming they are stronger. The correlation between weight and STR in the game is very strong, albeit, false. Heavier doesn't always mean stronger. I'm 6-2, 205 and I can out bench, squat, and clean several of my friends with 60-100lbs on me.

[youALREADYknow]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

It seems to me that EA is using the WEIGHT of a player and assuming they are stronger.

I'd go the other way and say that it seems that the Madden team has been covering up their inability to use mass/weight in their animation outcomes by using the STR rating as a "weight" modifier in the trenches for things such as blocking/trucking/etc.

They have been doing this for years and going the other route (accurately reflecting player strength without weight as a factor) will only serve to expose the game engine's flaws as it pertains to weight/mass and leverage.

Your approach is more accurate and objective so I'm not criticizing it at all. I'm simply stating that there are some things that handcuff you from using real world data since the "environment" that you're using isn't close to the real world environment the data is coming from.

I'd imagine that some time next-gen, you'll be able to see a huge benefit to your STR ratings in-game.

[wordtobigbird]

Everyone check out these rosters on 360.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...hed-360-a.html

[Tomba]

Quote: Originally Posted by youALREADYknow

I'd go the other way and say that it seems that the Madden team has been covering up their inability to use mass/weight in their animation outcomes by using the STR rating as a "weight" modifier in the trenches for things such as blocking/trucking/etc. They have been doing this for years and going the other route (accurately reflecting player strength without weight as a factor) will only serve to expose the game engine's flaws as it pertains to weight/mass and leverage. Your approach is more accurate and objective so I'm not criticizing it at all. I'm simply stating that there are some things that handcuff you from using real world data since the "environment" that you're using isn't close to the real world environment the data is coming from. I'd imagine that some time next-gen, you'll be able to see a huge benefit to your STR ratings in-game.

HIT the nail on the head with what i have bolded...

I feel a value of 100 though for ALL players no matter what makes the bumping animation play out much better than at zero

BUT again too much work

I HAVE played with these edits on ps3 madden 25 and along with sliders make it play like my madden 12 edit which im loving!

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by youALREADYknow

I'd go the other way and say that it seems that the Madden team has been covering up their inability to use mass/weight in their animation outcomes by using the STR rating as a "weight" modifier in the trenches for things such as blocking/trucking/etc. They have been doing this for years and going the other route (accurately reflecting player strength without weight as a factor) will only serve to expose the game engine's flaws as it pertains to weight/mass and leverage. Your approach is more accurate and objective so I'm not criticizing it at all. I'm simply stating that there are some things that handcuff you from using real world data since the "environment" that you're using isn't close to the real world environment the data is coming from. I'd imagine that some time next-gen, you'll be able to see a huge benefit to your STR ratings in-game.

I get what you are saying. I was just pointing out that the STR rating in Madden (regardless of what it does in-game) correlates more to weight than any other factor. This positive correlation means that the bigger the player, the more STR that player has. My real-world data shows that this correlation is significantly weaker than EA likes to argue. Some of the strongest pure players in the game are not even linemen...according to the data.

But we can only polish a turd so much.

[caballero]

Dan check this out http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/30/te...player-ratings

It's informative, funny and depressing... if Donny Moore is twitter friends with Dez Bryant, Richard Sherman and other NFL players we'll never get accurate ratings!

Reading on, since you asked to report any rating mistake/overview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXze0cQwD-8
Btw, if you check the vids on the same page, you find why Kerry Rhodes is still unemployed

Just ran some testing with M25.

Mangold (he was at 14THP, I gave him FBG's 13THP and 8/8/8 THA) reached around 40 yards so it's good enough.

Somehow, Rhodes with 62THP only reached around 50 (assuming the vid is real, he reached about 55 yards on the throw). FBG has him at 21THP
http://www.fbgratings.com/members/pr...php?pyid=54816