FBGRatings Seeks to Recalibrate Madden Ratings, Change Game

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by rudyjuly2

I completely agree. I was just pointing out how Madden is broken in the ratings. I've broken them down myself in SPSS. What drives me nuts most of all is how weight is meaningless in Madden. We've seen those videos of 150 pound OTs stone walling JJ Watt. I HATE seeing that my 240 pound OLB is a better DE than my starter. He'd never last there. Without a weight affect there is no difference from an undersized OLB playing DE, a light 4-3 pass rusher or a big 3-4 DE. It's not realistic or accurate.

Be careful when using "weight" as a measure for success, though. Success at the point of attack is more about technique, strength, and leverage. When MJD stone-walled Merriman, he was at a weight disadvantage of 51 pounds. That is almost 25% more weight than Jones-Drew. I can see where the LIKELINESS of a 150lb OT stone walling a 280lb DE is a bit faulty, but to simply chalk it up to "weight" is a bit of a fallacy.

Success at the NFL level, especially at the point of attack, is the result of a COMBINATION of factors. For example, if you have an OT that is 6-6, 300lbs and a DE that is 6-6, 300lbs you may think that it is a stalemate if you simply factor in size. However, what you may not see is that that OT can only bench 250lbs and squat 400lbs while the DE can bench 450 and squat 600. Who do you think would win that battle? I would say the LIKELIHOOD of the DE winning that battle at the point of attack increases drastically when strength is applied.

Now, take that example and add another physical attribute like footwork. In a pass-block scenario, let's say that the same OT has graded out at a HOF-level (think Anthony Munoz) as a pass-blocker, while the same DE grades out as a raw, technically-undeveloped, pass rusher who has the pass rush skills of a middle school girls volleyball player. Who do you think wins this battle now? The sizes are the same, one player is much stronger, but the other is better technically.

I use this far-fetched example (although not THAT far fetched if you understand that there are OL-men in the NFL who can't bench their own bodyweight) to illustrate that there are several factors that must be COMBINED to reach an outcome. Sure you can compare size to size or strength to strength, but when you combine multiple factors, the range of results reaches toward a wider variance. That correlation (between increasing factors and increasing variance) is a positive correlation. The bottom line is, we have to attempt to keep from over-simplifying.

[lendog691]

I wanted to say thanks for the guys that are working on the rosters and to the op for giving us the info on everything he has. I play sports video games for the realism and sim factors and the rosters make it sound as though we might finally have some realism in the game, THANK YOU ALL!

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by lendog691

I wanted to say thanks for the guys that are working on the rosters and to the op for giving us the info on everything he has. I play sports video games for the realism and sim factors and the rosters make it sound as though we might finally have some realism in the game, THANK YOU ALL!

You are most welcome. I have finally cracked all of the OVR calculations for all positions, so I will be updating the attributes in the coming weeks for all players.

Perhaps we need to start a petition to protest my replacement with Donny Moore at EA.

[TheBuddyHobbs]

FBG rated rosters all teams finished (360)

First game with this roster set and WOW this feels like a brand new game! There is defense and a pass rush what?! Demarcus Ware was a menace in this game. Played without any slider adjustments at all. All pro 12 minute quarters with a 14 second run off.

Cowboys 16 Eagles 3. I didn't write the stats down, but it produced realistic stats. I would probably add another minute or two to the game clock, but otherwise perfect!

[xian11]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

You are most welcome. I have finally cracked all of the OVR calculations for all positions, so I will be updating the attributes in the coming weeks for all players. Perhaps we need to start a petition to protest my replacement with Donny Moore at EA.

Hear, hear!

[caballero]

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

When you go to edit a player in Madden, you are only able to edit (in the game, without the use of an external editor) the traits that EA considers to be position-specific. For RBs, this includes STR, AGI, SPD, ACC, AWR, CTH, CAR, PBK, RBK, JMP, RET, TRK, ELU, BCV, SFA, SPM, JKM, IBL, RBS, RBF, PBS, PBF, SPC, CIT, RTE, REL, INJ, STA, TGH. However, PBK, RBK, JMP, RET, IBL, RBS, RBF, PBS, PBF, SPC, CIT, REL, INJ, STA, and TGH do not affect the OVR rating in Madden. This, to me, is a major flaw. The scouting data I have insists that ratings like the ones left out in Madden are included in evaluating the OVR rating of a RB. Therefore, according to my source material, those attributes SHOULD affect the OVR rating of a player. Guys like Adrian Peterson will be capped out at their OVR rating for this reason, and those attributes that may not affect the OVR rating in Madden will be equally adjusted as if they did affect the OVR rating. EA needs to adjust how they realistically qualify a position. Leaving things related at pass blocking, catching, return skills, leaping, and overall health/shape is asinine and purely unacceptable for someone wanting a realistic video game. Look to the NFL for real-world examples. Green Bay just cut Alex Green in favor of the oft-injured James Starks yesterday because of his ability to perform well in pass protection. If they were really confident in Lacy and Franklin as blockers in the backfield, I doubt they would have kept Starks, especially since there were trying to trade him earlier this offseason. If you don't think that blocking skills can affect a RBs player grade, you haven't seen enough of the NFL.

-you could temporarily switch the player to another position and edit the necessary attributes. Been doing this for years for special teamers, sometimes WRs or TEs with very low TKL ratings when in fact they could be real good IRL

-block ratings should definitely factor in the RB's OVR!
they factor a bit in 3rd Down back formula (in Depth Chart, wish I could figure this one out!)

-I think they kept Starks cos as as a 6th rounder he never really disappointed, while Green a 3rd rounder the following season did

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

You are most welcome. I have finally cracked all of the OVR calculations for all positions, so I will be updating the attributes in the coming weeks for all players. Perhaps we need to start a petition to protest my replacement with Donny Moore at EA.

Would you be so kind to post them, PM them to me or at least give me directions on how to figure these out?

Quote: Originally Posted by DCEBB2001

there are OL-men in the NFL who can't bench their own bodyweight

lies lol! names?

[DCEBB2001]

Quote: Originally Posted by caballero

lies lol! names?

Wish I could say it's false but...it's true. In the database there are currently 1015 OL and DL that weigh more than they can bench. Here are some notable players who are on NFL rosters or were in NFL camps this summer. Below are their names, weights, and 1RM in the bench press. How many of these guys does EA have rated in the "90s" for STR I wonder? Just more evidence that EAs ratings are a joke and even further evidence that they use NO empirical data when rating players.

Michael Jasper 394 376
T.J. Barnes 369 365
Terrell Brown 388 342
Terrence Cody 349 342
James Nelson 323 320
Cory Brandon 325 315
Stefan Charles 328 315
Dewayne Cherrington 345 315
Dennis Godfrey 340 315
Nick Jean-Baptiste 330 315
Byron Jerideau 334 315
Terren Jones 341 315
David Mims 331 315
Lucas Nix 317 315
Andre Smith 332 315
Justin Wells 318 315
Anthony Rashad White 335 315
Brennan Williams 318 315
Lee Ziemba 317 315
A.J. Hawkins 311 308
Oday Aboushi 308 306
Jamaal Johnson-Webb 313 306
Oscar Johnson 331 304
Marcel Jones 320 304
Antoine McClain 329 304
J.B. Shugarts 308 304
Donald Stephenson 312 304

[Robo COP]

bench press is an incredibly overrated way to determine the strength of a man