NBA 2K14 Features Crew Mode - 3-on-3 or 5-on-5

[HowDareI]

It's pretty simple: If you don't like Crew don't come on a thread about Crew.

People are here discussing why we're upset over no 5v5 Crews like in 2K10 and 11. (We haven't seen ANY evidence showing an arena with customized jerseys, or commentary, or rules, etc.).

Basically what we're doing by "complaining" about these things, is letting the devs know what WE want. Are association/sim/whatever guys that upset we're getting more attention? All that shows is more people are interested in Crews, get over it. (My favorite rapper isn't as big as Lil Wayne, I don't go on Lil Wayne's website crying about it...that's what little kids do).

[Saturnis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

Yet, you believe Crew could/will be 5v5 with arenas with absolutely no evidence. That seems self-contradictory and I'm not sure how that makes sense. The safe "I'll believe it when i see it" bet seems to be that Crew will just be 5v5 Blacktop at best, because that's what everything we've seen and heard suggests. The facts: 5v5 was started two weeks ago-- This is HUGE. Being familiar with game industry practices, dev cycles, and QA time needed for additions and changes, you generally CANNOT completely rebuild a game mode close to release, much less have it all completed in two weeks. Trying to do this and have it be proplery tested in such a short amount of time is nearly irresponsible in software development. 2K has never been one to take risks close to release. Only 3v3 up to two weeks ago-- It means that 2k did NOT intend on implementing a full fledged 2K11 style crew mode for this year's release, and were interested in doing the least work necessary to sell "Crews" by redefining what "Crews" meant. No word of Arenas/Jerseys/NBA rules from LD2k or Ronny-- In the very week they are promoting the "Return of Crew", they have avoided responding to questions related to the above. Ronny hyped Crews for a whole week, and 2K Marketing went through the effort to script, film, and produce a promotional video piece. Why would they do all that and NOT answer the biggest concern of folks who are interested in Crews? They could dispel all the angst and misgivings and accusations with one word. Yet they chose not to respond IN THE WEEK that they're trying to make the mode look a good as possible. I think both Chris and Ronny are smarter and more savvy at marketing than that. Notice how Beluba (who's not even in marketing) popped in from his busy schedule to allay our fears that in-paint contact wasn't addressed when it's one of the top 2 issues in 2K13? See how happily that thread has gone for the most part? The facts don't *prove* that 5v5 will be Blacktop only. I never said they did. They merely heavily insinuate it will be Blacktop only. Meanwhile there is *no* fact that suggests otherwise. I'm going to go in the direction the facts are pointing into, vs. the unlikely polyanna view based on even less evidence. "You don't know for sure" is not a trump card to support any and all clusions in the midst of varying degrees of certainty. That fact is there are more facts for my conclusion than your opinion. They may not seem *conclusive* to you, and neither of us know for sure, but one is more likely than the other, and I prefer sticking to more likely conclusions than less likely ones. And in the end, you have even less supporting evidence to continue a quixotic crusade to convince others that they shouldn't at all be worried or concerned. A simple "We don't know for sure, and we can hold out hope, but I admit some of this evidence doesn't look good", or "I dont mind Blacktop Crew, but I understand others do" would go a long way towards constructive conversation about Crews. It was your many posts that continued to tell others what they should feel, like, do, accept, ignore, and believe contrary to mounting evidence that compelled me and many others to respond.

about what you said above, they don't even have to answer any questions. A simple, "crew is more than just blacktop, just stay tuned" is more than sufficient. Then we can all wait for the details, but simply getting ignored is what draws us to these final conclusions. I mean, they are promoting crew right? so why can't they say something like that to quell all concerns?

because it's exactly that, blacktop.

[Matayeus]

I guarantee you , if they have the team up guys playing indoors , 5v5 like how they should've been , this thread , is a lot smaller and full of happy people .

But they didnt , the put out blacktop and called it crew.

People are passionate about crew , it's the most fun I've had in gaming , and I want It to come back . But I also want it to come back right . Not as a significantly lesser game mode with the label "crew" slapped on to it .

[Optik]

People, PLEASE don't conflate facts with evidence.

[MarvinOida]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

A simple "We don't know for sure, and we can hold out hope, but I admit some of this evidence doesn't look good", or "I dont mind Blacktop Crew, but I understand others do" would go a long way towards constructive conversation about Crews. It was your many posts that continued to tell others what they should feel, like, do, accept, ignore, and believe contrary to mounting evidence that compelled me and many others to respond.

Yet, when I started with that, everybody starts exploding with this. I was first one stated the concern of depth and the waterdown version of 3 v 3. Yet that didn't do anything, I'm just saying man, everyone jumped to the complaints wagon, which is fine, but to me, this still would've happened if it wasn't me, maybe even naturally. I'm not trying to say "listen to me I'm right" I'm just saying wait it out. I already stated that I felt that possibility of this being water downed, me being fine with everything until Oct 1st.


Tap Tap Taptalking away on my iPhone

[Ramboooo]

if crew turns out to be


5on5
leaderboards
team logo and name
fouls (this was in the video)

simulation mode
timed
4 quarters


I'm good

the arena format would be nice, but those things don't actually make up the gameplay, it's presentation. people are worried about creating their own uniforms, but you and your squad could just as easily wear some NBA jerseys from the my player store.

biggest things from me that haven't been confirmed, are the actual rules of the game like 4 quarters, timed, fouls, etc. Those things seem like they could be tweaked pretty easily to appease crew fans ?

[green225]

Quote: Originally Posted by Sundown

Yet, you believe Crew could/will be 5v5 with arenas with absolutely no evidence. That seems self-contradictory and I'm not sure how that makes sense. The safe "I'll believe it when i see it" bet seems to be that Crew will just be 5v5 Blacktop at best, because that's what everything we've seen and heard suggests. The facts: 5v5 was started two weeks ago-- This is HUGE. Being familiar with game industry practices, dev cycles, and QA time needed for additions and changes, you generally CANNOT completely rebuild a game mode close to release, much less have it all completed in two weeks. Trying to do this and have it be proplery tested in such a short amount of time is nearly irresponsible in software development. 2K has never been one to take risks close to release. Only 3v3 up to two weeks ago-- It means that 2k did NOT intend on implementing a full fledged 2K11 style crew mode for this year's release, and were interested in doing the least work necessary to sell "Crews" by redefining what "Crews" meant. No word of Arenas/Jerseys/NBA rules from LD2k or Ronny-- In the very week they are promoting the "Return of Crew", they have avoided responding to questions related to the above. Ronny hyped Crews for a whole week, and 2K Marketing went through the effort to script, film, and produce a promotional video piece. Why would they do all that and NOT answer the biggest concern of folks who are interested in Crews? They could dispel all the angst and misgivings and accusations with one word. Yet they chose not to respond IN THE WEEK that they're trying to make the mode look a good as possible. I think both Chris and Ronny are smarter and more savvy at marketing than that. Notice how Beluba (who's not even in marketing) popped in from his busy schedule to allay our fears that in-paint contact wasn't addressed when it's one of the top 2 issues in 2K13? See how happily that thread has gone for the most part? The facts don't *prove* that 5v5 will be Blacktop only. I never said they did. They merely heavily insinuate it will be Blacktop only. Meanwhile there is *no* fact that suggests otherwise. I'm going to go in the direction the facts are pointing into, vs. the unlikely polyanna view based on even less evidence. "You don't know for sure" is not a trump card to support any and all clusions in the midst of varying degrees of certainty. That fact is there are more facts for my conclusion than your opinion. They may not seem *conclusive* to you, and neither of us know for sure, but one is more likely than the other, and I prefer sticking to more likely conclusions than less likely ones. And in the end, you have even less supporting evidence to continue a quixotic crusade to convince others that they shouldn't at all be worried or concerned. A simple "We don't know for sure, and we can hold out hope, but I admit some of this evidence doesn't look good", or "I dont mind Blacktop Crew, but I understand others do" would go a long way towards constructive conversation about Crews. It was your many posts that continued to tell others what they should feel, like, do, accept, ignore, and believe contrary to mounting evidence that compelled me and many others to respond.

amen to that, a****inmen.

[Illuminatos94]

Quote: Originally Posted by Ramboooo

if crew turns out to be 5on5 leaderboards team logo and name fouls (this was in the video) simulation mode timed 4 quarters I'm good the arena format would be nice, but those things don't actually make up the gameplay, it's presentation. people are worried about creating their own uniforms, but you and your squad could just as easily wear some NBA jerseys from the my player store. biggest things from me that haven't been confirmed, are the actual rules of the game like 4 quarters, timed, fouls, etc. Those things seem like they could be tweaked pretty easily to appease crew fans ?

Yup at this point I already accepted that this won't be crew mode from 2k11. SO I'm just hoping we get to play with actual NBA rules and fouls.

The arena and jerseys would be just icing on the cake.