NBA 2K14 Features Crew Mode - 3-on-3 or 5-on-5

[Da_Czar]

Quote: Originally Posted by bottledwaterfan25

"you represent a very small part of the audience. Don't think that most people agree with you because you and 10 other Crewbies fill up an OS thread." uhhhh... you mean the thread that has 17.5 thousand views on OS already, after just 2 days? " 2k12 (and i think 2k13) outsold 2k11 without Crew." That's because 2k was the only basketball video game being sold those years, with zero competition. " So, apparently, folks weren't that best up about it as you may think." Have you even spent one minute of time looking at the outcry on twitter and youtube of literally thousands of disappointed people? Not to mention the countless polls over the weeks and months where people have ranked CREW as being the second most important mode to them after Myplayer, which is THE most popular mode in the game. Sorry to say, but for a MOD you come across on here as very bitter and petty towards the crew community.

I think your missing his bigger point and to an extent a lot of us are. On the internet where crew members are plentiful any poll or any thread or youtube or twitter is going to get blown up.

Let's say there are and I'm being generous 100,000 crew fanatics(Probably closer to 15,000) The game sold almost 6 million copies. or let's say 5.5 to be safe. Crew mode and those who say they won't buy it or will buy the competition is a very small amount of consumers. They just happen to be very vocal.

But on the other hand any developer should be very careful about believe the hype of their sales and usage numbers in years when consumers have had no choice. A company that allows Hubris to have them ignore their small but vocal core audience will eventually find themselves at the bottom of the sales heap.

What fools companies is the shift doesn't happen immediately, and it happens so slowly, that they continue to make decisions that erode their core audience confidence, while enjoying the mainstream success that past games has earned them.

See live from 2000-2014 for a recent example of how that turned out.

So while I agree with Buzz I also say companies should beware not to dismiss those who helped them get where they are. It was OS vets holding release parties and putting up flyers etc when everyone else thought their game was ***. Forget that to your own future demise...AKA Stay thirsty my friends.

[Saturnis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Boilerbuzz

You are right and wrong. Wrong in that you don't define Crew. They do. Now if you don't like it, you can express that. And that's cool and you should. But you need to realize that more often than not, you represent a very small part of the audience. Don't think that most people agree with you because you and 10 other Crewbies fill up an OS thread. 2k12 (and i think 2k13) outsold 2k11 without Crew. So, apparently, folks weren't that best up about it as you may think. But I feel you man. You sound like me and Madden. The difference, though is that EA and the NFL forced out the competition the wrong way.

im talking crew and 2k in general. I haven't seen anything different besides controls and graphics sprinkled in with a few new animations. that has been the upgrade process for several years already. Then when new gen is about to come out, and i get ready to hopefully gain a better experience, only to see that version is just prettier but stripped of a mode that most people i know play. either way you lose with 2k, but with other games i never see any complaining going on. I only ever see nonsense here.

also a big part of the reason it sold so much is because its the only basketball "simulation" game available. Add heavy or superior competition to the mix and you'll see a difference.

2k11 had no competition right? silly us to forget that. Silly you to forget elite 11 was delayed and fans of that game just waited it out, until it was officially cancelled in november.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gman 18

That's what they do to me also. People need to be patient and wait for all the details to come out before they complain Sent from my Kindle Fire using Tapatalk 2

you know, not to insult you or anyone who thinks this way, but this is a very stupid way to think about things.

if the community is vocal and express what they want, the devs would be more inclined to add what the community wants. Just like in some posts that were already here saying that ideas were past on to the devs. So in essence, at least we are being heard whether it gets implemented or not, at least they know how we feel.

where's the logic in sitting back waiting for info, only to find out they did everything the community doesn't want but now since they were quiet and ho hum about it nothing can be changed since this is the way it is and it's too late? seriously, this is the most idiotic comments that i keep reading. They make these games for your enjoyment, and if you and a whole bunch of people don't agree with things, then be vocal because remember they work for your money so your vote counts.

[Jrocc23]

Really no point in arguing with them. They've been saying the same thing for awhile and some of the people that's not even into Crew commented more than anyone.

They feel how they feel and we feel how we feel. Happy they're progressing, but this isn't what we expected.


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[bottledwaterfan25]

Quote: Originally Posted by Jrocc23

Really no point in arguing with them. They've been saying the same thing for awhile and some of the people that's not even into Crew commented more than anyone. They feel how they feel and we feel how we feel. Happy they're progressing, but this isn't what we expected. Sent from my iPhone 5 using Tapatalk

This. some of these momos coming in here to argue... lol. By their logic we should stop posting our concerns for obvious flaws in a game mode, and just blindly sit back and wait... Because, you know, 2k knows what they're doing, and who are we to decipher the actual info that we have been shown thus far? We should be happy to settle for a stripped down mode only on blacktop. No need to let your voice be heard, just wait for the facts. Sure seems to be working for the VAST amount of improvements and upgrades to the glorious Association mode over the past few years... oh wait...

[iimrampage28]

It seems like this has turned into more of an argument thread than a crew discussion thread lol. Everybody's going to have their opinion of the situation and somebody will disagree. We'll just have to wait for Oct. 1st to see if everybody is satisfied.

[Optik]

Quote: Originally Posted by iimrampage28

It seems like this has turned into more of an argument thread than a crew discussion thread lol. Everybody's going to have their opinion of the situation and somebody will disagree. We'll just have to wait for Oct. 1st to see if everybody is satisfied.

When has a subject like crew ever been "discussed"? It's either argument or infantile rage.

[iimrampage28]

Quote: Originally Posted by Optik

When has a subject like crew ever been "discussed"? It's either argument or infantile rage.

Well I can attest to the infantile rage myself, but I was feeling like everybody else who was excited when they saw the thread title and then watched the video just to make the Squidward face. All I'm saying is the arguments are more prevalent now lol.

[Sundown]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarvinOida

Say what you want man, I'm a believe it once I see it type of person. 5v5 being a regular Team Up game should be fine with everyone.

Yet, you believe Crew could/will be 5v5 with arenas with absolutely no evidence. That seems self-contradictory and I'm not sure how that makes sense.

The safe "I'll believe it when i see it" bet seems to be that Crew will just be 5v5 Blacktop at best, because that's what everything we've seen and heard suggests.

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"the Facts prove that 5v5 will be Blacktop-only." What do you have? -3v3 footage -Knowledge of 5v5 being started 2 weeks ago

The facts:

5v5 was started two weeks ago-- This is HUGE. Being familiar with game industry practices, dev cycles, and QA time needed for additions and changes, you generally CANNOT completely rebuild a game mode close to release, much less have it all completed in two weeks. Trying to do this and have it be proplery tested in such a short amount of time is nearly irresponsible in software development. 2K has never been one to take risks close to release.

Only 3v3 up to two weeks ago-- It means that 2k did NOT intend on implementing a full fledged 2K11 style crew mode for this year's release, and were interested in doing the least work necessary to sell "Crews" by redefining what "Crews" meant.

No word of Arenas/Jerseys/NBA rules from LD2k or Ronny-- In the very week they are promoting the "Return of Crew", they have avoided responding to questions related to the above. Ronny hyped Crews for a whole week, and 2K Marketing went through the effort to script, film, and produce a promotional video piece. Why would they do all that and NOT answer the biggest concern of folks who are interested in Crews? They could dispel all the angst and misgivings and accusations with one word. Yet they chose not to respond IN THE WEEK that they're trying to make the mode look a good as possible. I think both Chris and Ronny are smarter and more savvy at marketing than that. Notice how Beluba (who's not even in marketing) popped in from his busy schedule to allay our fears that in-paint contact wasn't addressed when it's one of the top 2 issues in 2K13? See how happily that thread has gone for the most part?

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That's it. You don't have significant proof in my opinion to tell me that its GUARANTEED that will happen, not saying it will not, but its not conclusive enough.

The facts don't *prove* that 5v5 will be Blacktop only. I never said they did. They merely heavily insinuate it will be Blacktop only.

Meanwhile there is *no* fact that suggests otherwise.

I'm going to go in the direction the facts are pointing into, vs. the unlikely polyanna view based on even less evidence.

"You don't know for sure" is not a trump card to support any and all clusions in the midst of varying degrees of certainty.

That fact is there are more facts for my conclusion than your opinion. They may not seem *conclusive* to you, and neither of us know for sure, but one is more likely than the other, and I prefer sticking to more likely conclusions than less likely ones.

And in the end, you have even less supporting evidence to continue a quixotic crusade to convince others that they shouldn't at all be worried or concerned.

A simple "We don't know for sure, and we can hold out hope, but I admit some of this evidence doesn't look good", or "I dont mind Blacktop Crew, but I understand others do" would go a long way towards constructive conversation about Crews. It was your many posts that continued to tell others what they should feel, like, do, accept, ignore, and believe contrary to mounting evidence that compelled me and many others to respond.