Madden NFL 25 Presentation Details, New Sideline Reporter Added (Name Not Revealed)

[infemous]

Quote: Originally Posted by daniel77733

The only guy on your offense that gave my defense problems was Amendola who's gone. It's like they forgot to cover him half the damn time. And those fake punts killed the 49ers because seriously...how tough is it for the punter to pass the ball to the receiver on the sideline who happens to be WIDE OPEN??? And that happened twice!!! I was so aggravated that the play calling from my team was so damn dumb. Then again, instead of running Gore in the Super Bowl at the end when we had 1st and goal at the Ravens 5 yards line, we passed four straight times. And there's people who complain about the non-call at the end but my complaint was on 3rd down...the defender hit Crabtree with a helmet to helmet shot from behind...that should have been a 15 yard penalty and automatic first down...or in this case, half the distance to the goal and an automatic first down because that was a hit on a defenseless receiver and yet, it isnt called. Thats what aggravates me about the NFL. They want penalties to be called on hits like that but yet, in the Super Bowl, nothing is called. I cant and didnt complain about the play where people thought that the Ravens should have been called for holding because the ball was overthrown and no way was Crabtree going to catch it. I just hated the horrible play calling and the no call on third down. Its funny, my 49ers at times have horrible play calling just like in Madden in general. LOL.

LOL well Amendola was the only guy on our offense who could run routes... he was also the only guy Bradford seemed to truly trust.

I don't remember the hit but I was amazed people tried to make that last play a topic of discussion. The ball was so overthrown that no WR had any chance of ever getting to it, even if impeded. Kinda funny because the 9ers benefitted from a bogus call like that would have been (if called) a couple of years back in OT... I like to think of it as Karma

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

It could be Melissa Stark, she is a part of NFL Network now and like you said was in Madden 03. I disagree that these improvements are not marketable enough. You can definitely market a sideline reporter and authentic team chants, stadium sounds like muskets firing in New England if nothing else. I for one am most excited about the commentary talking about what's happening in my league and not what happened last year. If that works properly, that will be HUGE for me, but I'm a big commentary guy. I think they are trying to shift their focus more on marketing gameplay and career modes than presentation. If the new sideline reporter is Melissa Stark or someone like that, that would be one of the first things you would have heard about in previous iterations of Madden. I think it's more about the mindset shifting with this dev team than it is a lack of improvements in presentation. We'll find out soon enough.

I think the fact that Melissa Stark was on Madden 03 is exactly the reason why it isn't marketable enough. Likewise with all of the stadium sounds, flowing commentary etc. etc.

I agree, if the commentary is much improved then I will personally be very happy, but I think you're overestimating how much the general public really care about the commentary. I know that there are definitely people who would buy the game just based off of improved presentation elements, but there are way more people that would buy the game because its the new Madden without ever looking at the new features.

I also agree that this new dev team is doing a good job of learning from previous Madden's mistakes when it comes to marketing features people couldn't care about.. Although they're lucky owner mode has been removed from the game for so long that it will be welcomed so warmly.

I just find it so despicable how so many of the 'features' that can be considered positive are all rehashes or fixes...

I'm actually most excited about Custom Playbooks in CFM and the improved audible system.

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

Well if they just improved commentary to be more dynamic & focus on your league, actually got the stadium sounds, team chants, crowd responses,sideline reporter,player chatter, and referee audio to sound authentic, that would be a huge boost for presentation. Some of this stuff was in previous versions, but it never sounded authentic. Just imagine scoring a TD in TB or NE and it actually sounding like cannons or muskets being fired. That kind of atmosphere is what has been missing in Madden and that is what brings the game to life.

League discussion is a bit of a reach for M25 man.. I really doubt they can do that. They've had long enough to try. It would be undoubtedly cool though, no matter how late it is.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by infemous

LOL well Amendola was the only guy on our offense who could run routes... he was also the only guy Bradford seemed to truly trust. I don't remember the hit but I was amazed people tried to make that last play a topic of discussion. The ball was so overthrown that no WR had any chance of ever getting to it, even if impeded. Kinda funny because the 9ers benefitted from a bogus call like that would have been (if called) a couple of years back in OT... I like to think of it as Karma I think the fact that Melissa Stark was on Madden 03 is exactly the reason why it isn't marketable enough. Likewise with all of the stadium sounds, flowing commentary etc. etc. I agree, if the commentary is much improved then I will personally be very happy, but I think you're overestimating how much the general public really care about the commentary. I know that there are definitely people who would buy the game just based off of improved presentation elements, but there are way more people that would buy the game because its the new Madden without ever looking at the new features. I also agree that this new dev team is doing a good job of learning from previous Madden's mistakes when it comes to marketing features people couldn't care about.. Although they're lucky owner mode has been removed from the game for so long that it will be welcomed so warmly. I just find it so despicable how so many of the 'features' that can be considered positive are all rehashes or fixes... I'm actually most excited about Custom Playbooks in CFM and the improved audible system. League discussion is a bit of a reach for M25 man.. I really doubt they can do that. They've had long enough to try. It would be undoubtedly cool though, no matter how late it is.

They said they will talk about how a team did last week, season standings, stats, etc... Examples given were how the Cardinals would try and improve on their red zone struggles from last week or that the Cardinals had been on a winning streak due to their defense this year.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by jbd345

Hope they recorded the Bills shout song with the crowd clapping and yelling "hey". Doubt it though. Seems like Buffalo gets the shaft every year.

That was in Madden 12 and at times I heard it in 13 but there were bugs that kept stadium songs from triggering.

Listen closely at 15:48, 21:20, 29:58

[jbd345]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

That was in Madden 12 and at times I heard it in 13 but there were bugs that kept stadium songs from triggering. Listen closely at 15:48, 21:20, 29:58

Yea I know it was in. I was saying if they recorded the muskets fireing at New England and you said they recorded various other sounds. I was just making the assumption they'd skip anything that involves Buffalo.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by jbd345

Yea I know it was in. I was saying if they recorded the muskets fireing at New England and you said they recorded various other sounds. I was just making the assumption they'd skip anything that involves Buffalo.

Oh I don't know, hopefully not, it would be nice if they got stadium sounds for all 32 teams but I doubt it. We'll start to find out in 6 days.

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

That was in Madden 12 and at times I heard it in 13 but there were bugs that kept stadium songs from triggering. Listen closely at 15:48, 21:20, 29:58

SMH@those cameras. Why would they get away from those? Game looks so much better than 13 in that aspect.

[LorenzoDC]

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

NBA 2K has 9 AI's on the court. MLB the Show has about the same. Madden has 21 player AI's. I would also consider the requirement of a Madden AI to be much more complex than an AI in the Show. The AI in the Show has to move to a spot, catch a ball, then pick one of 5 locations where to throw. Madden AI have to account for many things all at the same time, that's football. They all have to identifiy the play, react, then react to all other 21 players and what they are doing, then make a split second decision if they are involved in the play. You're going to argue that's the same computing requirement? Furthermore, you can find just as many complaints about the AI in those titles with a simple google search ('NBA2K11 Player AI' returns 3 links on the 1st page about bad teammate AI). I was referencing PC titles, such as Total War or Half Life, where the AI is considered some of the best ever written by gamers and media alike, not just "being better than Madden" which really isn't much of an achievement.

As much as I am pounding the table with others for better AI, I do agree with these comments that the comparisons to other console games with AI just don't hold water. I don't know programming but I do know that no one in the community has been able to show that the level of AI people like me want is achievable on current Gen without cutting out a lot of other things in Madden.

The original comment I quote has some caustic stuff in it I think is uncalled for so I'm not quoting that part.

All of this is why I'm thinking of hanging back on M25 until it's been out on new hardware to see how it plays out. On the one hand, my big issues are with CCF and game play AI and I doubt much will really get done on this with current hardware (hope I'm wrong!). On the other hand, I expect the new harware and game will need a very heavy does of patches and fixes, on the hardware firmware side and for the game itself, in order to work right. . . even if the AI issues turnout to be much better on nextgen.

[Armor and Sword]

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

NBA 2K has 9 AI's on the court. MLB the Show has about the same. Madden has 21 player AI's. I would also consider the requirement of a Madden AI to be much more complex than an AI in the Show. The AI in the Show has to move to a spot, catch a ball, then pick one of 5 locations where to throw. Madden AI have to account for many things all at the same time, that's football. They all have to identifiy the play, react, then react to all other 21 players and what they are doing, then make a split second decision if they are involved in the play. You're going to argue that's the same computing requirement? Furthermore, you can find just as many complaints about the AI in those titles with a simple google search ('NBA2K11 Player AI' returns 3 links on the 1st page about bad teammate AI). I was referencing PC titles, such as Total War or Half Life, where the AI is considered some of the best ever written by gamers and media alike, not just "being better than Madden" which really isn't much of an achievement. Give me a break. Gave dev's have been saying for over a year their titles are maxing out the consoles. Hardware is a problem. This doesn't counter the argument no matter how many internet ragers like your post.

I understand football has a little more to deal with being 11 on 11.


But when I see AI go backwards from M12 to M13 I have to question what happened. For me core gameplay is critical. Everything else becomes bells and whistles and does not matter if I can't play a good game of Sim football against the CPU like I get on 12.


And don't sell Baseball and Basketball short. The Pitcher/batter AI and team management AI for The Show is really strong. I don't care what anyone else thinks. It is my opinion. Plenty of whiners in The Show forums and 2K forums....I am not part of that mob mentality. And I am a huge pioneer Madden supporter.


And 2K11's computer opponent AI was great. And has not been matched by that series since. 2K11's CPU AI was smart, knew when to double team, ran your plays correctly. it is widely considered one of the very best console sports games ever.


For me it was about the big steps backwards M13 took from 12. That is all.


I really hope M25 is awesome. I want an awesome football game for my PS3...still waiting for that awesome sauce! So far I have gotten some decent salsa (M12, NCAA 13) but that's it.