Madden NFL 25 Presentation Details, New Sideline Reporter Added (Name Not Revealed)

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by Armor & Sword

I can't disagree more. The AI for offline solo players on M13 was an abortion. A joke to be honest. 12's AI played a far better game with a great set of sliders. And CCM Stunk. It was a bug filled nightmare. The UI was not nearly as good as it should have been (12's was not great either to be fair). But 12 had a functional franchise mode. I deal with the pinball tackling and lack of better pass trajectories but get a far more realistic game of football compared to the M25 beta known as M13. I am with you though. If M25's IE 2,0 is cleaned up totally, bugs fixed, Connected Franchise Mode works and the AI from 12 returns (and hopefully is even better) then I will pick up M25. But I will be very patient and wait at least 2 months after it's release to make a move. 12 was the best Madden to date (with 10 a close 2nd) IMO top to bottom this gen.

I'm pretty big on presentation and commentary too, madden 12 got really stale quickly in that department but for me I can't play 12 anymore after playing 13. I don't really use sliders so I don't know about that. I just play all-pro default on m13 with CPU qb and WR skills increased.

[splff3000]

Quote: Originally Posted by DeuceDouglas

If you were expecting to come into this thread and read about presentation details, I feel bad for you son. Because there's 99 topics and presentation doesn't seem to be one.

LMAO, I did just that. I read the first page then skipped to about the middle and was like WTF happened? Then I read your post and literally lol'ed. Good stuff.

[tfctillidie]

Quote: Originally Posted by RGiles36

It's not a CCM bug. It's a Tiburon-has-disregarded-offline AI-for-years bug.

I don't agree with this. I don't believe it's ignored, rather that the 512MB of RAM in current gen consoles doesn't allow for the intelligence to grow much more than what we have.

I don't think it's ignored, I just think we're seeing the limits of 8 year old hardware.

Why do I think this?

Well for starters most acclaimed AI games are found on PC's, not consoles. Rare for a console to have a great AI, other than a shooter here and there.

Yes you can reference the few console games with very high quality AI, but they likely don't carry the memory load a sports title does.

This is not a defending EA post, merely a rational and logical conclusion based on what we see in gaming, with a bit of background understanding of AI.

I believe they legit f'd up with modes, design options, etc, but when it comes to things like this? I believe we're limited by hardware.

Next Gen will prove it, one way or the other.

[Armor and Sword]

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

I don't agree with this. I don't believe it's ignored, rather that the 512MB of RAM in current gen consoles doesn't allow for the intelligence to grow much more than what we have. I don't think it's ignored, I just think we're seeing the limits of 8 year old hardware. Why do I think this? Well for starters most acclaimed AI games are found on PC's, not consoles. Rare for a console to have a great AI, other than a shooter here and there. Yes you can reference the few console games with very high quality AI, but they likely don't carry the memory load a sports title does. This is not a defending EA post, merely a rational and logical conclusion based on what we see in gaming, with a bit of background understanding of AI. I believe they legit f'd up with modes, design options, etc, but when it comes to things like this? I believe we're limited by hardware. Next Gen will prove it, one way or the other.

NBA2K11, MLBThe Show 11,12,13

AI is damn good. And those games are feature rich, deep and flat out awesome.

No excuse for AI to backwards on 13 from 12. It went backwards.

[BleedGreen710]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

The contextual awareness is where they put their hand on their teammates back, that was not in previous games.

Yea it was. Both NCAA 08 and Madden 08 have animations that do that. Heck one time I saw Ian Johnson (Boise State) push off an offensive lineman to juke a defender, it was a thing of beauty!

[The_Balm]

Quote: Originally Posted by tfctillidie

I don't agree with this. I don't believe it's ignored, rather that the 512MB of RAM in current gen consoles doesn't allow for the intelligence to grow much more than what we have. I don't think it's ignored, I just think we're seeing the limits of 8 year old hardware. Why do I think this? Well for starters most acclaimed AI games are found on PC's, not consoles. Rare for a console to have a great AI, other than a shooter here and there. Yes you can reference the few console games with very high quality AI, but they likely don't carry the memory load a sports title does. This is not a defending EA post, merely a rational and logical conclusion based on what we see in gaming, with a bit of background understanding of AI. I believe they legit f'd up with modes, design options, etc, but when it comes to things like this? I believe we're limited by hardware. Next Gen will prove it, one way or the other.

The AI needs CPU power a lot more then RAM. The next gen console CPUs are maybe 4+ times faster. So we SHOULD see much better AI (on and off the field).

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by Armor & Sword

I can't disagree more. The AI for offline solo players on M13 was an abortion. A joke to be honest. 12's AI played a far better game with a great set of sliders. And CCM Stunk. It was a bug filled nightmare. The UI was not nearly as good as it should have been (12's was not great either to be fair). But 12 had a functional franchise mode. I deal with the pinball tackling and lack of better pass trajectories but get a far more realistic game of football compared to the M25 beta known as M13. I am with you though. If M25's IE 2,0 is cleaned up totally, bugs fixed, Connected Franchise Mode works and the AI from 12 returns (and hopefully is even better) then I will pick up M25. But I will be very patient and wait at least 2 months after it's release to make a move. 12 was the best Madden to date (with 10 a close 2nd) IMO top to bottom this gen.

Quote: Originally Posted by BleedGreen710

Yea it was. Both NCAA 08 and Madden 08 have animations that do that. Heck one time I saw Ian Johnson (Boise State) push off an offensive lineman to juke a defender, it was a thing of beauty!

Yeah Kane told me it was too, but not like it will be in madden 25, it will be for both sides of the ball now, so lbs will put their hands on d lineman as they run around them.

[I Peench]

Quote: Originally Posted by Armor & Sword

NBA2K11, MLBThe Show 11,12,13 AI is damn good. And those games are feature rich, deep and flat out awesome. No excuse for AI to backwards on 13 from 12. It went backwards.

Neither are good comparisons imo. The Show is a PS3 exclusive, and games are developed to the lowest common denominator. Meaning, The Show can take advantage of the PS3s hardware advantages, Madden cannot. NBA, on the other hand, is a substantially less intricate game to program; there's simply not as much going on during a basketball game. Not defending EA by any stretch of the imagination, as I'd be the first to point out none of this explains why 2K has infinitely better presentation in their basketball game than EA does with madden. Admittedly, I can't even remember how 12 played at this point, so I can't refute that claim. Just my .02

I'm an xbox owner by the way.