Madden NFL 25 Video - Playbook: Run Free with Trey Wingo and Doug Martin

[SageInfinite]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

NBA 2k wasn't better than Live until 2k8 or so.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

1- You have never seen a post from me that says that Madden was awesome up until 99. I'm pretty sure I'm the guy who said that Madden was always doing less on the same hardware than its competitors, but I guess you took that to mean that I thought it was awesome somehow. Sorry for the miscommunicae. I said after 99 was when it went downhill in many respects. Those are two totally different things. 2- NFL2K was a great game compared to Madden 2000 and showed how much Madden needed to step it up, but NFL2K as a franchise had up and down years until they made their best and final NFL game in 2K5. IMO Madden has not been better than it since. The best out of TWO whole games doesn't mean that Madden was great lol. It just means that it was better than the other. 3- Whether YOU know anyone who thought Gameday was better than Madden is irrelevant. Look at the sales and look at the reviews of those games. Gameday almost ended Madden until they FINALLY realized how to make a polygon based Football game. So, yeah... 4- Um... yeah... the whole point is that I haven't played FIFA and NHL. I'm judging them based off of EA Sports games I HAVE played and said I find it hard to believe they make good games. I don't know any other way to write this to make it any clearer... lol. 5- Live has been terrible since forever, so if you think that NBA2K overtook it in 2007, then I'll just move on. I'm sorry jp. I am not in love with Madden and I have little faith in the EA Sports dev teams whose games I've played. If this offends you, again, I apologize.

Ok no reason to apologize, I understand what you were saying a little better now, but let me just clear up a few things on my end. I'm not in love with Madden, I'm in the same boat as most that Madden hasn't been very good since 05. I guess where I differ than most is I actually liked 05 better than 2k, but they were both really solid and I played them both a ton. There are things I like about Madden 13 but overall I think they still have a long ways to go and playing a game like NBA2k12,13 is a good reminder of that. Every series has their issues and none are perfect. So at the end of the day I guess it's just who has the least amount of issues that affect the game from being great. The problem with Madden is the issues it has are by no means new and haven't been fixed in many years so I see why people are very skeptical about that that changing now.

Ever since Cam Weber came on board I have had a really good feeling that things would change and I still do. I could end up being wrong and have to come to the realization that Madden won't ever get better, but I don't think that is what will happen. I think Madden is going in a good direction and will keep getting better each year until it eventually is the best football series ever made. Yes, I feel that good about Madden's future. We shall see if they ever get there or if those of us who have hope for the future of Madden are all living in fantasy land. I will remain optimistic until I'm shown reason not to be and it's no different than you who will remain pessimistic until shown reason not to be.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Danimal

Seriously you two need to cut it out now. I'm sick of coming into every thread and seeing a post from you guys going back and forth. This is the 4th or 5th thread with the same act being repeated. You've both been previously warned for this type of behavior. So there won't be yellow cards or friendly warnings next time.

Definitely getting OT of the thread, so for that I apologize.

When someone asks my opinion, though, I give it. When someone asks me to qualify something I said, I do it. When someone misrepresents what I've said, I correctly point it out.

Don't know what else to say.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by Danimal

Seriously you two need to cut it out now. I'm sick of coming into every thread and seeing a post from you guys going back and forth. This is the 4th or 5th thread with the same act being repeated. You've both been previously warned for this type of behavior. So there won't be yellow cards or friendly warnings next time.

Ok I'll stop

[DukeC]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

This post makes no sense whatsoever, not long ago you were saying that Madden was awesome up until 99 and then you say that NFL2k and Madden traded years being the best, you've never played the best sports games of this generation which have been the FIFA and NHL series, you're all over the place in your line of thinking and reasoning. I know almost NOBODY who thinks that Gameday was better than Madden during that era, so good luck proving that point. You say you find it incomprehensible that EA Sports made a game that you found to be good but you clearly thought Madden was up until Madden 99 and then you said that it was trading off with 2k in that era, so it had to have been pretty good, since we all know NFL2k was the so called "GOAT" LOL. You haven't even played most of their games besides Madden and NBA. NBA 2k wasn't better than Live until 2k8 or so. Live 10 was one of the best ones they made this gen. EA Sports is making good sports games right now, because NHL and FIFA are two of the best sports game series this gen and Tiger Woods 14 was a very good game this year in its own right.

Dude. No. No. No. No. No. No.

NBA 2K has been better since 2K5. Live was at it's peak of arcadeyness in Live 05 and 2K recovered from it's terrible game in 2k4 (they did have periods in making bad games every off year like in NFL2K) to make an excellent game in NBA 2k5 getting the highest rated title that year.

Then the next gen consoles came and Live screwed over everyone for 4 YEARS with absolutely DREADFUL games games. Live 06 for the current consoles (360 and PS3) was THE WORST basketball game in existence and while 2K6 wasn't spectacular, it was by no means a bad game. 2K happened to win by default in 06 because Live was sooo bad.

Live 07 was as dreadful as 06 while NBA 2k7 drastically improved i's game while also leading the way to what we term "Signature Animations". The majority of the starters on a team had thier own shot animations. It was the first time we (as gamers) have ever seen that level of detail in a sports game.

Live 08 was more of the same dreadfulness as Live 06 and was still terrible. Then NBA 2k8 came out, improved its signature animations even more and was regarded as the pinnacle of a game embodying the sim standard (until 2k11, but more on that later).

Live 09 was terrible and NBA 2K was only slightly less terrible at time.

Live 10 was the only good game EA had made at this point in the next gen consoles (Sports wise). NBA 2k10 was meh because of the spacing issue. I would give Live the edge for.

Of course EA couldn't have this happen for long and in one of the worst game design decisions ever made (They haven't made a basketball game since and it's STILL RECOVERING) decided to put a hockey guy in charge of a basketball game. 2K responded with making what is regarded to be the best basketball game ever made.

DO NOT use NBA Live to try and support your point. It weakens your argument inherently with the mess Live was this gen.

[jpdavis82]

Quote: Originally Posted by DukeC

Dude. No. No. No. No. No. No. NBA 2K has been better since 2K5. Live was at it's peak of arcadeyness in Live 05 and 2K recovered from it's terrible game in 2k4 (they did have periods in making bad games every off year like in NFL2K) to make an excellent game in NBA 2k5 getting the highest rated title that year. Then the next gen consoles came and Live screwed over everyone for 4 YEARS with absolutely DREADFUL games games. Live 06 for the current consoles (360 and PS3) was THE WORST basketball game in existence and while 2K6 wasn't spectacular, it was by no means a bad game. 2K happened to win by default in 06 because Live was sooo bad. Live 07 was as dreadful as 06 while NBA 2k7 drastically improved i's game while also leading the way to what we term "Signature Animations". The majority of the starters on a team had thier own shot animations. It was the first time we (as gamers) have ever seen that level of detail in a sports game. Live 08 was more of the same dreadfulness as Live 06 and was still terrible. Then NBA 2k8 came out, improved its signature animations even more and was regarded as the pinnacle of a game embodying the sim standard (until 2k11, but more on that later). Live 09 was terrible and NBA 2K was only slightly less terrible at time. Live 10 was the only good game EA had made at this point in the next gen consoles (Sports wise). NBA 2k10 was meh because of the spacing issue. I would give Live the edge for. Of course EA couldn't have this happen for long and in one of the worst game design decisions ever made (They haven't made a basketball game since and it's STILL RECOVERING) decided to put a hockey guy in charge of a basketball game. 2K responded with making what is regarded to be the best basketball game ever made. DO NOT use NBA Live to try and support your point. It weakens your argument inherently with the mess Live was this gen.

OK let's all get back on topic, before we get in trouble.

[speedy9386]

Quote: Originally Posted by jpdavis82

OK let's all get back on topic, before we get in trouble.

lol what are we gonna be spanked or something? Just a joke

[roadman]

Quote: Originally Posted by speedy9386

lol what are we gonna be spanked or something? Just a joke

In all seriousness, there was a mod today that called out a few people for going back and forth, so, yeah, it's no joke.